Viruses as intelligent organisms

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Viruses as intelligent organisms

Post by trasgo » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:19 am


I'm looking for articles, authors, essays...related to the topic: 'viruses as intelligent organisms'. My purpose is to gather information for a Philosophy of Science research.

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Post by cytochromeP » Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:27 am

That my friend really depends on what YOU think as INTELLIGENT. In my opinion intelligence is a personal thing. You cannot have a generally acceptable definition of that. Having said that ...commenting on the intelligence of a virus would be a mistake (better word?)
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Post by MrMistery » Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:37 pm

I agree. However, intelligence among viruses could be defined as the ability to cheat the imune system: The HIV-1 virus is the smartest of all because it can kill precisesly the cells who were suppose to kill it
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Post by Charlene » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:45 pm

Cells are considered to be the basic units of life, thus viruses are often not considered to be living organisms because they have no cellular structure.

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Viruses?organisms or ...?

Post by victor » Thu May 19, 2005 1:36 pm

But they do have DNA or RNA that symbolize as the blueprint of reproduction (we call it replication for viruses). And as we know that the biology "law" said that one category of living organism is reproduce..I consider the replication of the viruses as their wa to reproduce themselves eventhough the use some of the cells' chemical substances that the inject to reproduce.

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Post by Poison » Thu May 19, 2005 4:35 pm

Reproduction is not the only criteria of living.
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Post by Tamsicle » Sun May 22, 2005 7:13 am

It probably should be

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Post by Tam » Sun May 22, 2005 11:30 am

Tamsicle wrote:It probably should be
why do you say that?
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Post by mith » Sun May 22, 2005 12:45 pm

For a moment there I thought you double posted lol!
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Post by Poison » Sun May 22, 2005 3:35 pm

Tamsicle wrote:It probably should be


Why should reproduction be the basic criteria? Also note that viruses can not reproduce without a host.
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Post by MrMistery » Sun May 22, 2005 7:55 pm

When i went to the national lot, a PhD guy who was always on another planet said something really funny: "Viruses can not autoreproduce, they are autoreproduced by the host cell." :D :D
But anyway, Poison is right. Viruses can not autoreproduce so even if this were the basic criteria it wouldn't include viruses in the "living" category. But anyway, it is a matter of definition. Use the search function to find other discussions on the question of whether viruses are alive or not. I am sure we have one.
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Post by yuriandre » Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:31 am

viruses are considered to be a "borderline" particles/organisms. Scientists do not consider or categorize viruses as living things since they do not possess all the characteristics of being alive. Reproduction per se is not the only characteristic of a living thing, neither metabolism and respiration. Even nonliving things does respiration through the continous oxidation of their component materials. Hence, we cannot consider respiration as a characteristic of a living thing. A living thing then is a defined as something that performs all the necessary processes of self-perpetuation.
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