Causation: Really necessary?

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Causation: Really necessary?

Post by segarama » Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:21 am

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What is causation?
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Post by mith » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:03 pm

can you provide some context?
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Post by segarama » Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:21 pm

Hi mithrilhack:

Yes, I can provide an example of causation. It is sufficient proof that an effect was caused by something. e.g. underpinnings or substrates...
Texts indicate that causation is both necessary and sufficient. I talk to some scientists in biology who claim causation is a must. Then I talk to an author of a very well known book who is also a neuroscientist who claims that if something is proven at 98%tile. It is enough proof to establish a cause and effect relationship when undertaking experiments.

Both are writers and scientist....I like things to be correct. Thank you for having me attempt to clarify this.
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Post by mith » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:12 pm

It's strange because in my philosophy class we were told it would be impossible to show causation.

Do mosquitoes cause disease or does the virus that it carries cause it or does the action of the infected cell cause it? It's very hard to show whether one thing causes another.

Usually you see a correlation. In class today my teacher was just talking about how statistics can show that students who take AP(advanced placemnt) tests are more likely to have higher grades. Does this correlation show that higher grades cause students to take AP tests or does it show that AP tests cause higher grades? Or maybe the statistics fail to provide the context that students who take AP courses are more determined to succeed.
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Causation....

Post by segarama » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:17 am

November 3, 2005

Thank you! Actually it is sometimes very difficult to prove causation.
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Post by MrMistery » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:39 pm

You take philosophy, Dave? What year are you?
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Post by segarama » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:44 pm

MrMistery wrote:You take philosophy, Dave? What year are you?



:shock: Mr.Mistery....My name is Rob and I have taken philosophy...I think this went to the wrong person at my home e-mail address. Be well, Rob
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Post by mith » Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:11 pm

It's the IB class TOK which is basically philosophy. We're forced to take it :(
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Post by MrMistery » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:32 pm

I was asking cause i only take phylosophy in 12th grade(4th year of high-school)
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Post by Dr.Stein » Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:23 pm

This makes me want to study phylosophy ;) Anyone?
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Post by DJ » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:13 pm

I took philosophy and another class called logic which was similar. We studied the idea of determinism, which i think is pretty much the same thing as causation. It just means that an event is determined by a previous event. Is this what you mean by causation?

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