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Post by Skytroll » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:50 pm

thanks Cilla, and C3. am I helping or am I a hindrance? Please inform.


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Post by Barz » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:55 pm

Yes, Thank you cill, I had to excuse myself from the board. It seems Cliff's friends are at it above my home. Have pictures this time.

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Post by Cilla » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:00 pm

Hi Skytroll,

I think that you could be right re the press coverage on this, because, if it is a new disease that has emerged, perhaps coupled with insects behaving differently than hitherto, (maybe because of global warming, or the powerful insecticides used on farm animals causing insects to move onto people more), it is a good story.

Many distinguished and powerful people are discussing it now, all over the place.

On an educational and academic site such as this, we naturally speculate about a whole range of theories and hypotheses in the course of our discussion.

If it does end up on the media, maybe more will be done to elicit the truth of the matter.

Only medical doctors can say whether a new illness has emerged or not. It's amazing the power that they have. A person can be lying in a hospital bed, brain dead, but they are only actually legally dead when the doctors have performed the requisite tests, and have pronounced them as such. Yet, they were really every bit as dead before, (physically, but not legally).

If any person really has this, and it is a new disease, think how things might change if and when you are diagnosed. Any management of change should take account of tools such as the force field analysis, e.g. PESTL. (Political, Economic, Social, Technological, Legal and ethical).

I would use this time of 'limbo' to exercise intelligent decision making powers. Really think about all of the sub-headings above. It might help you to take a break from only thinking about this horrible disease, if only for a short time. It's a right brain left brain thing.

The brain dead person in the analogy cannot do anything prior to being diagnosed dead, because he or she is already dead, (at any time that they are brain dead). An exception might be the contents of an advance directive being fulfilled, (they have been able to exercise advance control, that they could not do at the time of diagnosis).

Is there anything that you might do now, that you might not be able to, at or after the time of diagnosis?

Of course, many of the results of receiving an accurate diagnosis, hitherto denied, will be good. Receiving proper treatment is worth anything, but this might involve a lot of time etc., so think about planning your lives around all of that.

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Post by Skytroll » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:10 pm

Gotcha Cilla, and thank you, again.


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Post by C3 » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:00 pm

Keywords: germline transformation/ lepidoptera

PDF] Bicyclus anynana
Dateiformat: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - HTML-Version
the eye-catching colour patterns on the wings of butter- ... ing of Lepidoptera
caused by exposure of the pupae to different. temperature conditions. Trans. ... monteiro-pdfs/BioLet2004.pdf - Ähnliche Seiten

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Post by London » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:58 am

Hi Cillia,

First of all, I'd like to say thank you. I'm just now seeing all the post and must go back to do further reading before I can reply to anything. I noticed where you had stopped posting for a while and that had worried me. We need you.
I also made the statement quite a while back that I thought you might know more than you lead us to believe......please do not worry, do not take this comment in any manner but a good one. I will now and always think you have really studied this and are sharing your freshly acquired knowledge with us. Again, thank you.


I'm very interested in the comment you made a couple of post back-something to do with Cliff and friends above your house? Please PM me if you do not care to post publically about it- and, of course, are willing to share this information .

Thank you sir.



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Post by London » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:24 am

Target Identification: disease association studies identify SNPs in candidate genes.
The proteins encoded by such genes may represent novel
drug targets
Target Validation: population analysis determines the level of variation within a
candidate gene. The presence of several SNPs will generate
large number of potential variants and such candidates can be
Lead Identification: screens can be developed to identify lead compounds that
interact with each variant of the drug target
Lead Validation: biological assays can be performed that incorporate different
lead compounds and all variants of the target protein
Lead Optimization: knowledge of polymorphisms affecting the target can be used
to develop drugs that work more efficiently over a broader
group of patients or to identify drugs that work more efficiently
in specific genotypes
Preclinical Testing: animal models can be developed incorporating all known
variants of the target to provide more accurate predictions of
drug efficacy in humans
Clinical Trials: trials can be carried out with groups of patients selected on
the basis of genotype, to specifically test for adverse drug
reactions at particular doses



Post by ukguy » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:36 pm

Hi Guys

Thanks to everyone for their contributions to this thread.

I do echo Cilla's comments that, wherever possible, it would
be of great benefit to present information in a more readable
format otherwise the contents of this thread could be easily
dismissed as we've seen by some comments posted.

I do understand that we're dealing with something extremely
complex here and the people who can talk at the level should
do so. Just please spare a thought once in a while for people
who are trying to pull all this information together into a format
that can be presented to a GP for instance!

Cilla and London, you're doing a great job at bridging the gap
right now. Thank you for that.

TamTam, your knowledge and insight here is quite remarkable
and I must assume you have definite reasons for the mystique

One final word for now: given that there seems to be something
attracting arthropods/insects to the sufferers of this condition,
can anyone say why this might be so?

Is the attraction there by design?


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Post by London » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:30 pm

Tam Tam,

On page 39 of this forum, I had posted about: chytryiomycosis.

Then sometime yesterday ( Thur. ) you posted about it. Can you

please tell us if this is what is happening to our skin?

Also, A topic I've been trying to study is Gene tranlocation- to

be specific: the Philidelphia Chromosoe # 22 > #9.

Do you have any knowledge about gene translocation?


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Post by C3 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:36 pm

if Cyano + Chytride+ (...?) relates to diversification and maybe bio clock

if cyano = hardware like

if trypanosoma = extension to mammal like by gametes
if Lepidoptera wing pattern + cyano relates to determination of germline(software like)

if quorum sensing is fact

than you could be in the heart of the concept

But you need to run many test to be conclusive

What You suffer from may relate to:

>micro organism into adaptive protein
>adaptive protein that regulates
(like inhibition of "sap stream" by cell that become "rubbery"?)

Basically a cell regulator that inhibits exchange of a particular signal ?

But fibers are variant, a new cell line that will result from random recombination "like plant cell that think they are insect cell"

You need to run many test to be conclusive about this type presumption

See the Monteiro photographs and the "fibers" in the wing.

And than think about a leaf in the forest and a butterfly that mimmics.

Like an invisible tank in the desert?
a yet in the sky?
or a medicine that changes property, dose or shape?

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Post by C3 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:46 pm

quorum sensing is cell density related
(single cell micro organisms that start to act multi cellular if momentum is created)

quorum sensing is mediated by chemical signal (insect/ ferromone like)
This could mean that odor (bacterial signal related) turns on quorum sensing.

Like a butterfly bug in relation to love, competitor or flower!

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Post by C3 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:53 pm : News : Structure of Key Protein that Enables ...
Structure of Key Protein that Enables Quorum-Sensing Bacteria to Communicate ...
from entomologists because they believe that insect-like chemical signaling ... cgi-bin/biofilmsonline/00109.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages


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