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Post by London » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:27 am

what, this thing at the bottom of page? The gun? ... lec12.html

here is a better view:

well, check this out- look at the second one.... ... itoid+wasp

and I quote:

To ensure that the NPGS can
continue to play a key role in protection of genetic diversity of the
world's crop plants in the face of political, economic, and environmental
disruptions, it may become necessary to hold collections from abroad at the
National Seed Storage Laboratory (NSSL) with restrictions on their
distribution. However, this necessity - one that the United States
government at times may have no choice but to accept - should not lead our
nation to abandon its own commitment to the free exchange of germplasm.

There are more accessions of wheat than of any other crop held by the
NPGS. Our CAC recommends the following actions, intended simultaneously to
provide maximum protection of crop diversity and to foster germplasm
exchange to the greatest extent possible:

Thanks Barz! Look here:

and now this: ... lved+in+th

I think Nadas has posted on this before! ... ransfer%22

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Post by Barz » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:55 am

another lovely article on agrobacterium t. ... bi.0010037

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:57 am

out of recluse but no avail...

Dedicated chemical molecules are used as signals in the process, which underlies the completely undesirable activities of several, meanwhile the quite desirable activities of many other bacteria. Modules from these communications systems have recently been tapped during the design and implementation of synthetic biological circuits by several laboratories. This PI has pioneered studies on the biological decay of quorum signals, a process termed quorum quenching. The ARO supported research is developing models to probe the influence of signal decay on quorum signal mediated communications in complex 3D systems such as soils. The initial results suggest that signal decay may be tapped to control undesirable activities. But, left uncontrolled, decay could also complicate the proper functioning of engineered biological circuits in the field.

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:15 am

" The release of transgenic crops into the environment has raised concerns over the spread of transgenic DNA, not only by cross-pollination to related species, but especially by horizontal gene
transfer to unrelated species (reviewed by Ho et al. (1) and Traavik (2)). On account of the persistence of DNA in all environments, and the ability of practically all cells to take up 'naked' or
free DNA, the success of horizontal gene transfer may depend largely on the nature of the DNA itself. New revelations concerning the CaMV recombination hotspot (3) have prompted us to
consider the safety implications of the CaMV promoter. That is all the more urgent as CaMV promoter is in practically all transgenic crops already released commercially or undergoing field
trials.Cauliflower Mosaic Virus (CaMV) is a pararetrovirus of crucifer plants. The genome is an 8-kbp double-stranded circular DNA with three single strand gaps. Two major RNA transcripts (19S and
35S) and six large open reading frames are encoded by the DNA. Transcription occurs from a nonintegrated, circular minichromosome in the nucleus of the plant cell, and virion DNA is synthesised in the cytoplasm by reverse transcription of the 35S RNA transcript (4, 5).
Phylogenetically, CaMV belongs to a group of caulimoviruses most closely related to the hepadnaviruses of animals, which includes the human hepatitis B virus. "

"The 25bp border repeats of the Agrobacterium T-DNA, the most commonly used vector for plant transformation, also show remarkable similarities to the recombination hotspot of the CaMV 35S promoter. There is an 11 bp imperfect plaindrome sequence with a TATAbox-like structure in the right border whereas the left border has a short purine-rich sequence in the centre. Kohli et al.
(3) predicts that these two regions of T-DNA could be involved in re-arrangements which are often seen in T-DNA mediated plant transformations.
It is clear that the CaMV 35S promoter is well-endowed with motifs involved in recombination. An additional factor which may increase the instability of the plasmid is the junction between CaMV 35S promoter and foreign DNA. All these considerations make it highly likely that the CaMV 35S promoter will take part in horizontal gene transfer and recombination, and also cause largescale genomic rearrangements in the process.
Horizontal transfer of the CaMV promoter not only contributes to the known instability of transgenic lines (30), but has the potential to reactivate dormant viruses or creating new viruses in all species to which it is transferred, particularly in view of the modularity and interchangeability of promoter elements (8). In this regard, the close relationship of CaMV to hepadnaviruses such as the human hepatitis B is especially relevant. In addition, because the CaMV promoter is promiscuous in function (see above), it has the possibility of promoting inappropriate over-expression of genes in all species to which it happens to be transferred. One consequence of such inappropriate over-expression of genes may be cancer.Our considerations should be seen in the light of the results of the first systematic safety testing of transgenic food backed up by histological studies, which was carried out by Pusztai and his collaborators. Ewen and Pusztai (31) conclude that a significant part of the toxic effects of transgenic potatoes with snowdrop lectin was due to the "construct or the genetic transformation(or both)". They further state, "The possibility that a plant vector in common use in some GMplants can affect the mucosa of the gastrointestinal tract and exert powerful biological effects mayalso apply to GM plants containing similar constructs…" The plant vector in common use is the TDNA of Agrobacterium, and the construct in question is the CaMV 35S promoter, both of whichare in the transgenic potatoes tested by Ewen and Pusztai (31).As a precautionary measure, we strongly recommend that all transgenic crops containing CaMV35S or similar promoters which are recombinogenic should be immediately withdrawn productsderived from such crops containing transgenic DNA should also be immediately withdrawn fromsale and from use for human consumption or animal feed."

the whole pdf... ... ransfer%22
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Post by J Jill » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:35 am

Good evening all,

Good news, London-

Science 2 March 2001:
Vol. 291. no. 5509, p. 1719
DOI: 10.1126/science.291.5509.1719
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Nota Bene: Wolbachia and Wasp Evolution

Orla Smith
One of the strangest partnerships in nature is the pairing of the symbiotic bacterium Wolbachia with a remarkable range of insect hosts. Wolbachia live in the cytoplasm of insect cells and apparently do no harm. These endosymbionts do, however, have a startling effect on the reproduction of their insect hosts, which has led biologists to speculate that Wolbachia may contribute to reproductive isolation and the creation of new insect species (speciation). Bordenstein et al. (1) now provide evidence that this indeed may be the case.

When male insects infected with Wolbachia mate with uninfected females, no offspring are produced (because the cytoplasm of infected sperm is incompatible with the cytoplasm of uninfected eggs). Yet viable offspring result from all other mating combinations (uninfected males and infected females, infected males and infected females, and uninfected males and uninfected females). This arrangement ensures that Wolbachia (which are passed to offspring only through females) spread rapidly through the host species because uninfected females that mate with infected males cannot produce offspring. But is this partial reproductive isolation sufficient to drive the emergence of new insect species· Bordenstein and colleagues speculated that if a host insect population was infected with different Wolbachia strains that were incompatible (so that individuals infected with one strain could not produce offspring with individuals infected with the other), then this double reproductive barrier might be sufficient to drive speciation.




They set out to test their hypothesis in two closely related species of parasitic wasp, Nasonia giraulti (which inhabits eastern North America) and Nasonia longicornis (which inhabits western North America). In both species, individuals were infected with different Wolbachia strains and reproductive incompatibility was bidirectional: Matings between N. longicornis males and N. giraulti females, and between N. giraulti males and N. longicornis females produced few or no hybrid offspring. But when both species were treated with antibiotics to cure their Wolbachia infection, interspecies matings produced normal numbers of hybrid offspring. Working with uninfected wasps, the authors then tested several other reproductive barriers (unrelated to Wolbachia infection), such as reduced fertility and hybrid breakdown, that are known to precede the formation of two separate species. Interspecies matings did not reduce the number of eggs laid or the number of viable hybrid offspring produced, and sperm of one species was capable of fertilizing eggs of the other. There was also no evidence of hybrid breakdown because hybrid male offspring mating with female offspring of either species did not show abnormal courtship behavior or reduced fertility.

The authors conclude that microbial-induced reproductive isolation is already apparent between N. longicornis and N. giraulti, whereas genetically driven reproductive barriers have not yet been formed. Bordenstein et al. are careful not to endorse Wolbachia as the means of Nasonia speciation (geographical isolation is arguably a far more important factor in this case), but their work offers a tantalizing glimpse into how an apparently harmless endosymbiont could alter the course of evolution.



S. R. Bordenstein et al., Nature 409, 707 (2001). ... /5509/1719


I read about the Wolbachia some time ago (Scientific American- 2001 issue)- and your posts brought it to mind for me. Also, another board spoke about the matter frequently.

It could well be a significant part of the Fiber Phenomenon...but I would not discount the Mycoplasma & Lyme.

Seems as though this illness is layered, doesn't it?

Hope the article helps,

J Jill
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Post by London » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:11 am


That Lil article was not so little was it? It was killer, thanks!


Thanks for looking into it. I swear I have over 50 articles on Seth B. alone. But if you want to know who else to look into, try Molly Hunter at U. of Arizona.

Not only the wolbachia but Cardinium as well. Thanks again JJill! :)

Yep, somthing for everyone, just pick a damn disease and we fall into it. I got this one from googling Cardinium and it's impact on human health.

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:29 am

this may be off topic but I'm "OFF TOPIC"


The energy stored as neutral filaments may be retrieved once the filament decays. The pseudo magnetic monopoles at the endings of open filaments in motion ionize atoms, and thus accelerate their beta decay and retarded neutron emission rates by freeing the required low lying final states.The anode hot spots of wire electric discharge machining simply are cathode hot spots that form near an anodized layer (of oxide, carbide or nitride depending upon the dielectric), which layer grows as the discharge establishes itself prior to self interruption, so that the resulting energetic ions are projected against the anode. It is then observed that machined parts from normally nonmagnetic materials such as tungsten carbide, as well as the carbon residue from the oil, become ferromagnetic from the accumulation of neutral magnetic filaments. Condensation into filaments occurs when z-pinch discharges break up owing to the sausage instability; this creates very localized and dense discontinuities that explain the substantial non-thermal fusion reaction and neutron emission rates that have long been observed when such discharges break up. For instance, M. Rambaut’s analysis of such discharges in deuterium concludes to a medium having a fractal dimension of 1.9-1.6, with 10
3-10 4electrons in a sphere of atomic radius .53 Ã, in agreement with the present paper. Similar phenomena occur in metallic conductors subjected to high current spikes: they fragment from the Laplace pinch pressure as well as from the longitudinally repulsive electrical forces of their positively charged core and negatively charged surface owing to the skin effect, and can then condense magnetized paired electron ring states as the current is reflected off the micro-discontinuities of the freshly broken conductor. Similar occurrences were observed by Mesyats et al. and the Correas, during the sputtering of metals in vacuum from the small droplet instabilities in the hot spots that appear on a solid plane cathode (thermal energy being released from the nuclear reactions in the newly created EVs), and by Donets et al. in electronic pulsed reflex discharges in low pressure drift tubes, whose pulses, first squeezed by the mirror charges in the drift tube, laterform shockwaves and “electron filaments” once reflected at the ends and nonlinear discharge phenomena having been initiated.
The region near the axis of the ring at the reflecting tip is electron-depleted,which helps screen the potential, reduces the critical threshold and the density of the accompanying Fermi states.
As the vector condensate forms, the original magnetic field is amplified, and soon, electrons from the conduction band shockwave or from atoms magnetized beyond the critical field of 4.41GT for single electrons, join it or bind to it. The stripped nuclei, especially when they are bosons, form a metastable, dense, highly magnetized, electronically screened state in which nuclear reactions and beta transmutations occur, the charged electronic condensate, surrounded by its accompanying Fermi fluid, being a dense source of polarized electrons interacting with highly polarized nuclear targets. The stripped atoms are then expelled as the multiply ionized entities observed by Donets et al.
The emission of energetic nuclei from the cathode hot spots of Tesla coil terminals had already been documented by Gustave Lebon at the end of the nineteenth century, and is a typical (though neglected) component of the “ionic wind” bursts that emanate from negatively polarized tips or surfaces. This positive ionic countercurrent heats the cathode on the one hand, hence the aptly named “hot” spots and, on the other, contributes to the observed negative resistance of the discharge by an actual electromotive force.
In the presence of an axial magnetic field, even a relatively modest one, a newly formed singularity, rather than close into a small ring, may, owing to the flux compression in the current sheet converging toward the pinched singularity (fromthe conservation of angular momentum in peripheral electrons having high axial Landau states) and to the further amplification of the induced magnetic field within the emerging condensate, form a solenoid that soon uncoils into an open filament under the influence of both its charge and the outer axial field that stabilizes it. It is therefore more active in its initial stages with respect to induced fission of heavy nuclei, pair creation and ionization at its endings and eventually decays into a long monopolium open filament, once its charge is shielded bypositronium condensates after the screening nuclear condensate is scattered.
Interestingly, the observation of monopoles by Ehrenhaft since the 1930’s and by Mikhailov since the 1980’s involved particles created by the sputtering of ferromagnetic materials in electrical arcs, while those recently observed by Urutskoev et al. were produced in exploding discharges (titaniumsheets in water) and only later bound themselves to ferromagnetic materials. In the observations of Mikhailov, a small, open magnetic filament terminated by magnetic poles and oriented in an almost homogeneous magnetic field, bound to a ferromagnetic particle,will see the magnetization of one of its poles enhanced by a circularly polarized beam of light, while at the other pole, it is diminished. One may think in terms of an asymmetric momentum transfer fromthe photons to the poles by the magneto-optical effect. The strength of the apparent magnetic charges varies according to whether one is observing a magnetic dipole and will depend on its length, its magnetic flux, on the gradient of the external field and whether some flux is returned by a nearby ferromagnetic. Urutskoev et al. observed caterpillar-like dual traces in films that could be the poles terminating a neutral filament. The fact that the anomalous magnetization created by such poles in iron disappears after a few dozens of hours supports the view of a non elementary particle, whose magnetic charge would have otherwise be conserved. It indicates that the neutral, open filaments linking the poles decay, their lifetime being probably proportional to their length. Such neutral filaments may carry small, longitudinal, reversible magneto-acoustic excitations between their poles, so long as their accompanying magnetization does not exceed 2Bc /3 by enough to make the state tunnel through the many non-integer flux neighbouring states with high energies or awkward geometries that confine it. The charged vector condensate filaments are superconducting and ferromagnetic. Inside a neutral axion condensate, the density of charged vectors can be low, so that their energy matches that of an equivalent number of free or moderately shielded electrons. Because of their charge, in the quasi absence of a Fermi fluid, slightly below 2B c/3 and in a well-shielded environment, greater acoustic perturbations are allowed before the combined charged and neutral state tunnels to Bc via 4Bc /5. Grigorov et al.’s polaron-embedded, long- lived filaments are examples. Earlier measurements by G. Egely and G. Vertesy of the anomalous bio-magnetization of various samples showed that metals retained anomalous magnetic properties less than 48 hours, a span confirmed by Urutskoev et al., while wood remained magnetic for about 40 days, in line with Grigorov’s experiments. In these, tiny magnetic filaments were first produced in a plastic precursor by high voltage electrical discharges. The viscous dielectric was then electrically polarized by a higher intensity, lower voltage electrical current for several days so as to assemble and grow the small conducting, magnetic filaments into longer threads. Finally, the dielectric was polymerized with its conducting filaments, reinforced by strong currents. Water, because of its high dielectric constant, is particularly well suited to a similar process, whose initiation is expected to occur naturally. When flowing through dielectric rocks or condensing within storms, it can be subjected to strong electric stresses and discharges. The artificial equivalent would be the Meyer cell. Besides, atmospheric water is likely to condense preferably about the magnetic filaments from solar or terrestrial storms, owing to the Wilson effect from ionizing magnetic pseudo-monopoles in motion and their forming magnetic polymers. The final phases of the Grigorov procedure are quite similar to the otherwise incomprehensible “Joe Cell”. It isnoteworthy that the latter induces both an anomalous conductivity in the liquid, mist and vapour phases of the “charged water”, at low and high voltages respectively, the formation of ferromagnetic residues or “magnecule chains” in initially non-magnetic compounds as well as other anomalies. Because the orbital of a charged scalar round a central ion is generally diamagnetic (only a current-carrying superconducting cyclic molecule ring with positive ions on its periphery could display ferromagnetic attraction), because magnetic polymers appear in a wide variety of materials subjected to nearby discharges, including dielectrics such as wood, water, hydrocarbons, gases, metals, and because of an anomalously high energy content, the hypothesis of an orbital molecular ferromagnetism must be discarded in favour of ions bound within a quasi neutralized charged magnetic thread. The resulting filaments and pseudo-monopoles, once activated, induce nuclear reactions , the radiolysis of water or fuel as well as enhanced rates of chemical reactions notably in spark-gaps. A similar reasoning applies to the biological ferroelectrics subjected to high local electrical stresses and currents in physiology. This suggests a role for neutral filaments and their magnetic polymers in biology that could explain the puzzling biological transmutations observed by L. Kervran in the fifties.

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:50 am

Scientists at the University of Toronto have
successfully engineered a microorganism
that forms ethanol using only carbon
dioxide and sunlight. In a process they have
patented, the scientists took genes from a
bacterium that naturally forms alcohol and
inserted them into a Cyano-bacterium,
which performs photosynthesis like plants.
The new genes produce “foreign” enzymes
that yield alcohol as one of the natural
side-products of photosynthesis. The
alcohol yield is limited, but scientists hope
to improve it by inserting more foreign
genes into the microbe

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Post by RANDY » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:23 am

So ..what scientist have you found to confirm your research?

You find all these things..but how are you going to prove any of them EVER if you do not have scientists working on this.

it is all just ego building. YOu need ot gather a team to confirm of deny your findings.

When will this happen?


Quiet Barz...........shhhhhhhh.......

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Post by London » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:30 am

Jjill and others sick and interested:

The use of microbial pesticides is a new trend that aims at the insect biocontrol, for example by using safe microbial pesticide Bacillus Thuringensis or microbial symbiosis Wolbachia Pipientis.
The characteristics, activities (insecticidal, anti-fungal and anti-bacterial) and problems concerning the use of the Bacillus Thuringensis (resistance and potential virulence) were explained in detail. He briefly spoke about Bacillus Cereus and Bacillus Anthracis, whose are considered with Bacillus Thuringensis one species with substantial differences in the plasmid genes. The second part of the presentation was focused on symbiotic bacteria Wolbachia pipientis and C. Cardinium, which stay in the cytoplasm of host cells with a mutual symbiosis (Nematodes) or reproductive parasitism (Arthropods). It was proposed the exploit of the main Wolbachia characteristic, e.g. the cytoplasmic incompatibility (CI) between female and male in arthropods, to control the insect population. A very promising Wolbachia strain is “pop corn”, which has shown to be highly pathogenic in fruit flies, but it expresses the pathogenetic trait only in old insects.
The other symbiotic bacterium described was Cardinium. It is localized into the phloem and is transmitted by insect S. Titanus, the vector of Flavecenza Dorata in Vitis Vinifera. It was explained the characterization of the microflora associated with S. Titanus, showing in detail several techniques used for this work, , for example LH-PCR, DGGE, TEM, nested PCR. These results open a new prospective for the biological control of S. Titanus and for the symbiontic control of Flavescenza Dorata. ... 006&type=P

and now we finally get one that states the Health Effects of Pesticides probably b/c it's a european one. I swear our Gov't reminds me of that big #92 football player from the Titans that just stepped (with his cleats) on the poor guys head today.

PS: NOTE* It's a pwr point doc.

and here is one on the Trich (wasp) and it's bearing on FUNGAL STRAINS.

Biocontrol mechanisms of Trichoderma strains. ... s=15666245



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Post by Nadas Moksha » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:59 am

Randy hey i found a cure for you ...

here is the ingrediants
1.keyboard oil and your arse.

heres what you f%@king do ... as you seem to enjoy telling everyone else what to do...

take komputer keyboard and saturate in cooking oil
get RUtZ and sarah b. to hold it sidways and vertical
while you s l o w l y s i t d o w n

ta da !
a new chair .... and a new you .... with new friends..... some where other than here....
we all know the millions wasted already... we all know of the operation underway .... how can you sleep at night knowing what a fake piper, leader of rats with nothing to offer other than a capitalist sales pitch and a smerk..... ... names.html
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go raise your own funds for more fake research to prolong the health care that were neglected.
you are the poison. go on flame me.
"yeah gather in one place so me and my boys can quarintine ya"?
"yeah call me so i can trace your call"

you busch bitches piss me off...
how stupid do you think your victims are?

triple agent bastards will be smeared to the wheel first when it returns


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