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Post by Barz » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:12 pm

One more question Mr. Tam if you don't mind. What affect will ACE inhibitor have on this if any? I am currently taking Avapro 150mg 1x daily, as I am diabetic. I do so appreciate your replies.

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Post by Systemic » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:56 pm

Hey guys, don't know if you guys saw this yet but if not it might be worth checking out. seems to fit the Diary of a parasite sufferer.
I Know you guys are further along than this, but I still thought you should see this.


YEA, were delusional, right.

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Post by tamtam » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:10 pm

Mr. Barz,

If people unite and provide a legal base for action the matter can be made conclusive in a relatively short time.

However, I do not suggest that you start this legal process on your own.



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Post by J Jill » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:54 am

Good evening everyone,

Interesting posts today!

Nadas, any idea which code/s would relate to the disease?

TamTam, as always, thought provoking.

Barz, I'm with you if you have a game plan- but as you say, we need to know what, who, where, why and how.

Problem with the large lawfirms re: litigation, most of them already represent the very Corporations and/or government entities - well, you know.

I have read of successful litigation, but it takes time: ... osition_id

US Senator Orrin Hatch
March 2nd, 2006 Contact: Peter Carr (202) 224-9854,
Heather Barney (801) 524-4380
Printable Version
More Than $1 Billion Paid To Those Harmed by Radiation Exposure

Washington – Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) today highlighted the tremendous progress the United States government has made in compensating Americans affected by nuclear testing decades ago. This week, the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act (RECA) program reached a huge milestone – more than $1 billion has been paid as compensation to more than 15,000 downwinders, uranium miners, and ore transporters afflicted by radiation exposure.

“Each payment from RECA shows the nation’s commitment to helping victims of radiation exposure,” Hatch said. “Thousands of Utahns were harmed by nuclear testing, and we can never do enough to right this. But I have fought for years to see that they receive some measure of compensation for their suffering.”

The Department of Justice, which oversees the RECA program, reported that $1,002,039,052 has been paid to 15,108 individuals and families of those who have contracted certain cancers and other serious diseases as a result of their exposure to radiation from nuclear testing. The RECA program is administered to those affected in Utah and 10 other states and pays up to $50,000 for downwinders, up to $75,000 for on-site participants, and up to $100,000 for uranium miners who qualify for compensation. To date, RECA has compensated 3,731 Utahns with payments totaling $213,943,745.

On January 27, 1951, the United States exploded a nuclear weapon at the Nevada Test site. This test was the first of 100 nuclear weapons exploded in the atmosphere between 1951 and 1962. U. S. citizens have paid a heavy price for America’s safety, including those living downwind from the Nevada Test site, working on-site at the test site and other sites where nuclear weapons testing occurred, and those who mined, transported and processed the uranium ore necessary to build these nuclear weapons.

In the years following the atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons, it became very clear that the weapons testing had serious health consequences for those exposed to radiation. On October 5, 1990, Congress passed the RECA legislation, which Hatch wrote and sponsored, and the program was expanded through a law he authored in 2000.
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Post by London » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:59 am


No, I do not mind yous asking at all. My HIV test done at the usual hospital I go to was negative. I had another one done that is supposed to tell me what my CD4 count is but I have not been notified as of yet. I need to call or go see about it tomorrow- I have been working some and do not have the time I once did. Also, I need to inform my Doctor that I did not get into see the one she referred me to due to the fact that they only take HIV positive people. Although she and I believe I have been exposed to the HTLVIII virus, I still need to get molecular testing done.

This is where she thought the Dr. she referred me to would perform this test. Although I did not get to see this new Doctor, I have been in communication with her. In fact she has phoned me herself 3 times after my initial conversation with her.

A bit of advice she gave was I needed to get another test asap done that measures my viral load....something about siroconversion(sp?) could have interferred with the first two test, etc so that is what I have to do now.

Jill, I know you posted what you did as an example, but I was wondering if you thought we too had radiation damage? I do from all the photonic fusion/ solar cells.....and I wanted your opinion.

I personally think we have lots of things happening in our bodies....including the parasotpod wasp eggs and that lil scab worm (Vp.) from the thermophiles.

'Now Tam talks of weapons and that is exactly what this radioleectric fusion can be used for. So, in my opinion, hell yes the US gov't is at fault. Was wondering others opinions.

Besides all of the aerosols causing us damage, it is of course, the GM foods, the grains and the way they store it, the crops (espeically the legumes and the corn) and mostly, I am concerned with the water.

You see, I feel they think they can get away with this due to it not showing up in testing.....(take for instance, the wastewater treatments) I am well aware of the amonia oxidizing bacterias and the coverup going on here....see:

Phylogeny of All Recognized Species of Ammonia Oxidizers Based on Comparative 16S rRNA and amoA Sequence Analysis: Implications for Molecular Diversity Surveys

Or take a look at this one here....remember the stories going around that it is in the french bottled water? Well, hell yeah it was b/c look what was in the french water treatment plants....Listeria.....

Occurrence of Listeria spp. in Effluents of French Urban Wastewater Treatment Plants ... type=HWCIT

But, what are we to do now? I mean just as I posted on the last page, they are now using gas/ectrically charged particles to clean our water with (biofilms) so now we are getting burns from it??? come on this ain't right dammit.....they could at least tell us what their secret filter is and where the hell to get it.....and thy need to burn those bad beans as well!


Biofilms are bacterial communities embedded in an exopolysaccharidic matrix with a complex architectural structure. Bacteria in biofilms show different properties from those in free life thus, conventional methods of killing bacteria are often ineffective with biofilms. The use of plasmas potentially offers an alternative to conventional sterilization methods since plasmas contain a mixture of charged particles, chemically reactive species, and UV radiation. 4 and 7 day-old biofilms were produced using two bacterial species: Rhizobium gallicum and Chromobacterium violaceum. Gas discharge plasma was produced by using an AtomfloTM reactor (Surfx Technologies) and bacterial biofilms were exposed to it for different periods of time. Our results show that a 10-minute plasma treatment was able to kill 100% of the cells in most cases. Optical emission spectroscopy was used to study plasma composition which is then correlated with the effectiveness of killing. These results indicate the potentiality of plasma as an alternative sterilization method. Supported by CSuperb.

Maybe we do the OZONE Treatment and the Blood treatment (forgot what it is called-the one that cleans the ions in the blood) both. Hell, just put out some transgenic Vampires or something....but friggin HURRY THE HELL UP, A-HOLES!

Hey, come to think about this not what Majic Johnson did?> the blood treatment stuff? I know it's in the water to be...especially at my home where I have one of those evaperative cooling towers. You know the one like the hospitals and school auditoriums have.....that's got to be it! This is why mabe that they say
that teachers and nurses comprise the most morgellons/fiber disease patients????

okay, do you know, should I move from where I live now if that will help ,
or not? somebody needs to tell me b/ c it's nearly September!

another snip re: water

In wastewater irrigation, the criteria often included limits on suspended solids,
biological oxygen demand (BOD), chemical oxygen demand (COD) and organic
chemicals (oil and grease, trichloroacetylaldehyde, petroleum hydrocarbon, and detergent
residues). Numerical limits for these chemicals were included probably because of their
potential effects on operation and maintenance (BOD, suspended solids, and oil and
grease), groundwater pollution, (petroleum hydrocarbon and benzene), or plant growth
(petroleum hydrocarbon, detergent residues, etc.). The inclusion of these constituents in

Hmm.......????? :?:

In previous installments in this series, we discussed the wartime use of infected fleas and lice to spread plague (definitely by Japan in China and maybe by the US in Korea), and the possibility that the pandemic of tick-borne Lyme disease was a result of secret biowar research at Plum Island, NY. But there's another bug that has vectored its way into the history of biological warfare, and it's one that almost everyone on the planet is intimately familiar with: the hated mosquito.

Yeah, well now , as I reported last week, there are 43 known Dengue Fever cases now in south Texas....AND.....guess what else....they have cloned wolbachia now and put it into the fleas, the collembola, the lice, etc.!
here's the link to the above phrase:

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Post by tamtam » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:26 am

Link about biofilm formation/ pioneer bacterium/ formation of glycocalyx/
sticky polymer

PDF] Scotmas Healthcare – Factsheet Water Systems Biofilms
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
2 Glycocalyx Formation. Biofilm bacteria excrete extra-cellular polymeric. substances, or sticky polymers, which hold the biofilm ... downloads/Biofilm_factsheet.pdf - Similar pages

(note: type pseudomonas in search engine)

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Post by Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:17 pm

Tam Tam, Barz, London, Nadas,

Didn't want to go there, but, I am.

For comparisons:
PA is motile with flagellum. Anthrax is spore forming gram positive
PA is gram negative Spores assisted nitroten ph 6 or higher.
Inhabit soil and water organic soil content

GLanders: zoonic,

"Pseudomonas aeruginosa is the epitome of an opportunistic pathogen of humans. The bacterium almost never infects uncompromised tissues, yet there is hardly any tissue that it cannot infect if the tissue defenses are compromised in some manner.

Pseudomonas aeruginosa is a Gram-negative, aerobic rod belonging to the bacterial family Pseudomonadaceae. The family includes other genera, which, together with certain other organisms, constitute the bacteria informally known as pseudomonads. These bacteria are common inhabitants of soil and water. They occur regularly on the surfaces of plants and occassionally on the surfaces of animals. The pseudomonads are well known to plant microbiologists because they are one of the few groups of bacteria that are true pathogens of plants. In fact, Pseudomonas aeruginosa is occasionally a pathogen of plants. But Pseudomonas aeruginosa and two former Pseudomonas species (now reclassified as Burkholderia) are pathogens of humans. A general treatment of the pseudomonads is presented in The Genus Pseudomonas . This chapter deals specifically with Pseudomonas aeruginosa as a pathogen of humans.

Pseudomonas aeruginosa is an opportunistic pathogen, meaning that it exploits some break in the host defenses to initiate an infection. It causes urinary tract infections, respiratory system infections, dermatitis, soft tissue infections, bacteremia, bone and joint infections, gastrointestinal infections and a variety of systemic infections, particularly in patients with severe burns and in cancer and AIDS patients who are immunosuppressed. Pseudomonas aeruginosa infection is a serious problem in patients hospitalized with cancer, cystic fibrosis, and burns. The case fatality rate in these patients is 50 percent.

Pseudomonas aeruginosa is primarily a nosocomial pathogen. According to the CDC, the overall incidence of P. aeruginosa infections in US hospitals averages about 0.4 percent (4 per 1000 discharges), and the bacterium is the fourth most commonly-isolated nosocomial pathogen accounting for 10.1 percent of all hospital-acquired infections. '

See more.........


"Background: "Anthrax" means coal in Greek, and the disease is named after the appearance of its cutaneous form. Anthrax is described in the Old Testament, by the poet Virgil, and by the Egyptians. At the end of the 19th century, Robert Koch's experiments with anthrax led to the original theory of bacteria and disease. John Bell's work in inhalation anthrax led to wool disinfection processes and the term "wool sorter's disease." Anthrax is caused by inhalation, skin exposure, or gastrointestinal (GI) absorption. Disease caused by inhalation is fatal, and symptoms usually begin days after exposure. This delay makes the initial exposure to anthrax difficult to track.
An additional concern is use of anthrax as a biologic warfare agent. Recent reports reveal that Iraq produced 8500 L of anthrax for use during the Gulf War. During the last 2 years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have investigated several threats in the United States, including Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, and California. Most recently, an outbreak in Florida has been reported. Suspicion also should be raised if other potential biologic agents are diagnosed (ie, plague, smallpox, Ebola, Q fever).
Due to recent events, government agencies are making ongoing changes to their recommendations. Please refer to the appropriate authority (eg, CDC) for the most current recommendations if not addressed in this article.

Pathophysiology: Anthrax (Bacillus anthracis) is a large spore-forming gram-positive rod. Persistence of spores is aided by nitrogen and organic soil content, environmental pH greater than 6, and ambient temperature greater than 15°C. Drought or rainfall can trigger anthrax spore germination, while flies and vultures spread the spores.
B anthracis has a diameter of 1-1.5 mm and a length of 3-10 mm. It grows in culture as gray-white colonies that measure 4-5 mm and have characteristic comma-shaped protrusions. Anthrax is differentiated from other gram-positive rods on culture by lack of hemolysis and motility and by preferential growth on phenylethyl alcohol blood agar with characteristic gelatin hydrolysis and salicin fermentation."

"Cutaneous anthrax

In the most common cutaneous form of anthrax, spores inoculate a host through skin lacerations, abrasions, or biting flies. Incubation is 2-5 days.

The disease begins as a nondescript papule that becomes a 1-cm vesicle within 2 days. Occasionally, surrounding edema is severe and can lead to airway compromise if present in the neck.

The skin in infected areas may become edematous and necrotic but not purulent. Such skin lesions have been described as "malignant pustules" after their characteristic appearance, despite being neither malignant nor pustular. Lesions are painless but on occasion are slightly pruritic.

Spore germination occurs within macrophages at the site of inoculation. Anthrax bacilli are isolated easily from the vesicular lesions and can be observed on Gram stain.

The initial lesion ruptures after a week and progresses to a characteristic black eschar.

Differential diagnoses of the skin lesion include tularemia, plague, cutaneous diphtheria, Staphylococcus infections, Rickettsia infections, and orf (a viral disease of livestock).

Cutaneous anthrax usually remains localized, but without treatment, it disseminates systemically in up to one fifth of cases. Antibiotic therapy prevents dissemination but does not affect the natural history of the lesion. With treatment, mortality is approximately 1%."

MORE HERE ON Inhalation, GI etc.....

And Glanders:

Glanders is gram negative:
Background: Glanders and melioidosis are related diseases produced by bacteria of the Burkholderia species, which are gram-negative rods. They produce similar symptoms and have similar pathophysiologic consequences. Glanders and melioidosis are of interest because of significant study for potential weaponization by the US and other countries in the past. During World War I, glanders was believed to have been spread to infect large numbers of Russian horses and mules on the Eastern Front. The Japanese infected horses, civilians, and prisoners of war during World War II. The US studied this agent as a possible biological warfare (BW) weapon in 1943-1944 but did not weaponize it. The former Soviet Union is believed to have been interested in glanders as a potential BW weapon as well.

Burkholderia mallei is the causative agent of glanders, primarily a disease of animals such as horses, mules, and donkeys. Glanders has been only a rare and sporadic disease in humans, and no epidemics have been reported. In China during World War II, 30% of the tested horses were infected with glanders, but human cases were rare. The reason for the low transmission rate is not known. In the human population, it typically is found in those with close and frequent contact with infected animals, such as veterinarians, animal caretakers, abattoir workers, and laboratory personnel.

Melioidosis, also known as Whitmore disease, is caused by the bacterium Burkholderia pseudomallei. It is clinically similar to glanders disease, although the epidemiology differs. The bacteria thrive in tropical climates, and the disease is endemic in Southeast Asia. Both humans and other susceptible animals may contract the disease.

Both organisms are considered potential BW agents, especially in the aerosolized form.

this might be of interest: ... ders_g.htm

Now, I do not know if there is a connection here, but, do find the historical reference to Glanders to be significant.

With novel organisms and bacteriophages, these old diseases may have reference to what we suffer.

But the pseudo seems to be the key. A false sense, a hidden sense for what is. Things are not as they seem?

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Post by London » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:21 pm


Thanks! Are you saying this "scot stystem" is good and should be used, or that it is causing the problems. :?:

I swear, it is lucky we are even alive today. Dammit, I'm going to go back over all the stuff I once had and posted on that "other website" that said "Nope London, not it!"

One of the things was Toxic-oil poisoning. I have this in my urine. Why? Is it from all the plastics they made with toxins?

Yeah, and I said a long time ago too, that it must be something in the
AC commercial compressors (in which they said, Nah...) well bullshit!

It is dammit! The stuff that commercialized size A/C compressors use is poison and guess what? I have a commercial size A/C compressor in my home and I was working with it last July when not more that 2 weeks go by and I fell sick w/ this man-made plague....

So, boys and girls what is it since I have been told I do noy contribute to our cause ......

It is 2-ethly- 1-Hexanol.....yes it is! poison is a better word....and let me tell you something else they use it for.....Food Flavoring! Yeah, they care about us and "they can go to hell with Stanford" for all I care.

Now, it gets even better.....First of all, has your building where you work
experienced "building sickness syndrome?" This is the reason. But that's not all.....what else do they use it in?

Drinking water. Screw this. These F-sticks need to be exposed.

SKYTROLL!!!!! I know you posted on Glanders before and I posted a lot on Burkholderia mallei the thing that causes it!!! I mean a lot of post I did on that....about a month and a half ago., If yo9u click onto my name it will take you back to my post and you can find it there. Hey, rembr when I said I bet this is what the CDC will cALL IT??? Well, that was what I was talking about.

And skypatrol, you want me to fill you in on some more info that you will really is glanders and that thing you always speak of.....

the flagella, yes mam! I will try to pull it for you and come back.

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Post by Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:34 pm

From your link, Tam Tam,

In one
"experiment, researchers found that Pseudomonas cells adhere to stainless steel, even to electropolished
surfaces, within 30 seconds of exposure."

"Fortunately, there is an answer to the problems created by biofilm. That answer is
chlorine dioxide, which will penetrate and remove the biofilm and destroy the
bacteria on contact.'


What would this do do plastic pipes?

There are genomed microbes that adhere to plastic.

Many pipes were converted to plastic, when the metal ones kept rusting out. They thought plastic was better. Now, with these microbes maybe the adherence is even more for many water pathogens.


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Post by Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:44 pm


I remember when you posted those, but, the connect was not there. Went dahhhhhhh

for a while.

Yes, lets beat this thing down to the fiber.

It think this is a new disease, and yet an old one in disquise.

And the CDC, dragging their feet and disquising all along the way.

My dad's horses died from something that was connected to the land. Oh yeah. The horses hair turned white. The land sits. Is haunted.

And the flagella is in the pseudomonas. The mover. When the flagella by way of e-coli, or camyloheliobacter. Who put the flagella on the bacteria?
or the slime amoeba? How about self-assembling flagellas, and adherance to spores, I love science.


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Post by London » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:57 pm


Who put the flagella there? Prob those that go to that college in Israel!
(they should know we know all about that, um hum, we do!)

Here , bacteria and viruses put the flagella in there! can you say bacteriophages suck rocks?

Here you go....

and you dont wanna miss this one:

Brownian space:

to "Evolution in (Brownian) space: a model for the origin of the bacterial flagellum" ... round.html

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:45 pm


glycine cleavage system protein P1 PA5213 [imported] -
Pseudomonas aeruginosa (strain PAO1) 0.0
Automatically derived functional categories 01 METABOLISM 0.0 - S.cerevisiae_exp
01.01 amino acid metabolism 0.0 - S.cerevisiae_exp
70 SUBCELLULAR LOCALIZATION 0.0 - S.cerevisiae_exp
70.16 mitochondrion 0.0 - S.cerevisiae_exp
01.01.09 metabolism of the cysteine - aromatic group 0.0 - A.thaliana_put
20.01.15 electron / hydrogen transport 0.0 - A.thaliana_put
20.01 transported compounds (substrates) 0.0 - A.thaliana_put biosynthesis of serine 0.0 - N.crassa_put biosynthesis of glycine 0.0 - N.crassa_put degradation of serine 0.0 - N.crassa_put degradation of glycine 0.0 - N.crassa_put
01.02 nitrogen and sulfur metabolism 0.0 - N.crassa_put
01.07 metabolism of vitamins, cofactors, and prosthetic groups 0.0 - N.crassa_put metabolism of serine 0.0 - N.crassa_put metabolism of glycine 0.0 - N.crassa_put
70.03 cytoplasm 1e-146 - B.subtilis_put
COGs COG1003 Glycine cleavage system protein P (pyridoxal-binding), C-terminal domain 1e-159
COG0403 Glycine cleavage system protein P (pyridoxal-binding), N-terminal domain 1e-153
PFAM domains PF02347 Glycine cleavage system P-protein 0
INTERPRO domains IPR001064 Crystallin (1)
IPR003437 Glycine cleavage system P-protein (2)
Automatically derived EC numbers PIR:T05309 Glycine dehydrogenase (decarboxylating). 0.0
PIR:T07826 Aminomethyltransferase. 0.0

"the system seems hell bent on the binding of the AMP ,sunroof,leather interior, all options with POLYPEPTIDE editors.. .. "



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