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Post by Skytroll » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:45 pm

Oh, I am sorry. I just looked at the Forum rules, and realize I have these on the wrong threads.

Sorry about that. DOP set in.

Must go, save the world. Grandiose thinking, I know is part of this disease.


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Post by London » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:46 pm

Sky, I told you a long time ago.....the fish, the shellfish, the brine shrimp, the salmon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>




Where is research on chimeras being conducted?
Research using chimeras is going on in the United States and abroad. Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University reportedly created the first human-animal chimeras by successfully fusing human cells with rabbit eggs in 2003, according to National Geographic News.

A year later, researchers at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota created pigs with human blood pumping through their veins. Not only do the pig blood cells flow with human cells, but some of the cells themselves have merged, creating hybrids. The research gave scientists a better understanding of how viral infections can pass from animals to humans.

Several universities are performing chimeric research, including at Stanford University. Irving Weissman, Stanford professor and cofounder of the biotech company StemCells Inc., has transplanted human-brain stem cells into the brains of mice. The human cells make up less than 1 percent of the mouse brain and are being used to study neurodegenerative diseases, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He has proposed creating mice with 100 percent human neurons. Stanford law professor Hank Greely chairs an informal ethics committee and is overseeing Weissman's work.

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Post by Skytroll » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:48 pm

All that money wasted on playing in a lab.

The NIH should be proud of themselves.

Did anyone see Narnia?

We will soon look like the centaurs.


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Post by Skytroll » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:51 pm

Mr. Fitzgerald where are you?

A quiet man, quietly doing his job.

I see Al Gore, our environmental man is back on the global warming stump.

If Kyoto had it's way we would be far worse off now.

It is so hard to fight two battles at once and to fight Morgellons. But, my DOP is showing again.

Oh, the fish........haven't had any in a while.

That is where it started, with the fish.


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Post by London » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:53 pm

Wonder why my post to you sky was just deleted????

things thatmake you go hmmm

That was the first time that happened to me......anyway it was just about Stanford and Dr. Weisman there doing some chimera engineering.....

no big deal> you know they just mix a human embryo with a rabbit cell

and then I have to teach them at school. Maybe they will be better behaved than those crack babies.....

Lets " HOP " so.........

okay check this out:

Changing Genetic Signature of the Enemy – the Most Lethal Weapons Systems in the World

March 7, 2005
Staff Reporter
India Daily

Genetic engineering is providing the most advanced military weapons. Many countries are busy with their secret projects on manipulating genetic signatures of the enemy.

The process involves analyzing and manipulating chemical changes that occur in DNA, aging, stem cells and during disease.

Changing genetic signatures can induce fatigue, headache, heart malfunction, other diseases and many similar effects in the enemy.

The military research in different parts of the world in focused on using electromagnetic flux to change the genetic signatures of the enemy remotely.

No one knows the long-term effects of these weapons and obviously no country openly discloses their genetic signature changing experiment and military projects.

Experts predict that in the future, epidemics like Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Bird’s Flu will be very common as various countries try to experiment changing human genetic signatures and develop weapon systems.

World Health Organization in a memorandum recently have called for the danger of experimenting with genetic signature changing experiments.

There are two ways of changing genetic signatures of humans. The first is through programmed induction of germs. The germ warfare is well known and many countries of the world work on these germ warfare techniques. The second method is the use of laser induced plasma pulsed energy projectiles. Most of the advanced military projects are focused on remote sensing and remotely induced genetic signature changing capabilities. The concept can be scary. Sudden outbreak of diseases, epidemics and natural causes of death can grip a community because of application of advanced genetic engineering applications.

It is also possible on the long term that diseases like cancer, AIDS and so on can be cured by altering the genetic signature of cells in the humans.
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Post by London » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:55 pm

DID you see that SkyGod?????

They use Plasma pulsed _____in their heinous creations.......

I see the post is back now...that was strange!

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Post by Skytroll » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:19 pm

Oh but maybe this camp would enlighten us.

"In 1999, the IIASA Council examined IIASA’s mission, focus, research agenda and operations
in light of changes in global political, economic, environmental and technological systems. The
results of that review, reflecting a new long-term plan, were published in January 2000 in the
document IIASA Enters the Twenty-First Century.
IIASA’s original mission since its establishment in 1972 stressed technological-related research
aimed at fostering bridge-building between East and West, but in 1990 the Institute refocused its
mission to reflect the world’s rising concern with global change. This new setting was reflected
in IIASA’s 1991 strategic plan Agenda for the Third Decade. The review that led to the 21st
Century document not only reaffirmed that mission but also IIASA’s strategic goal of
conducting international and interdisciplinary scientific studies to provide timely and relevant
information and options, addressing critical issues of global environmental, economic,
technological and social change, for the benefit of the public, the scientific community, and
national and international institutions. IIASA’s enduring objective, therefore, is to provide
science-based insight into critical policy issues in international and national debates on global
change. While IIASA’s mission and strategic goals may endure, the means of achieving them
must adapt to encompass global systems that coincide with the interests of the research, policy
and industrial communities."

Adaptation and Selection all based on a THEORY.

Since its inception, the Adaptive Dynamics Network (ADN) Project at IIASA has been a major
driving force behind the development of adaptive dynamics theory, a highly versatile, if not the
most versatile, framework currently available for linking the longer-term ecological and
evolutionary consequences of environmental change (Metz et al. 1992, 1996; Kisdi and
Meszéna, 1993; Ferrière and Gatto, 1995; Dieckmann et al., 1995; Dieckmann and Law, 1996;
Geritz et al., 1997, 1998; Dieckmann, 1997; Dieckmann and Ferrière, 2003; see also
Rosenzweig, 1978; Eshel, 1983; Matsuda, 1985; van Tienderen and de Jong, 1986; Taylor,
1989; Nowak and Sigmund, 1989; Christiansen, 1991; Brown and Pavlovic, 1992; Vincent et
al., 1993; Abrams et al., 1993; Eshel et al., 1997; Abrams, 2001). In this role, the project
attracts a constant flow of international scientists who apply the techniques of adaptive
dynamics theory to their research questions and contribute to the systematic extension of the

"Evolution of Cooperation
Over many years, IIASA in general and ADN in particular have contributed insights into one of
the major problems in evolutionary biology, namely, the emergence and stability of cooperation.
In these studies, a particular focus has been on spatial games (Trivers, 1971; Axelrod and
In 2004, ADN will focus on the following innovations:
(1) A first aim is to extend the models of voluntary public goods games (Hardin, 1968; Boyd
and Richerson, 1988; Kagel and Roth, 1995; Gintis, 2000) established by ADN (Hauert et
al., 2002a, 2002b) to individuals with extremely limited cognitive capacities, thus making
them ideally suited for describing, for example, myxobacteria and dyctiostelium colonies,
in which the involved micro-organisms alternate between phases of individual scattering
and phases of collective agglomeration. Recent developments in this area of evolutionary
study are reviewed in Crespi
(2) The project will also extend the adaptive dynamics of cooperation beyond the currently
prevalent replicator dynamics, taking into account, in particular, a class of processes
known as best-reply dynamics. Introduced by Matsui (1992) and extended by Hofbauer
and Sigmund (1998), such dynamics occur in the very simplest models of social learning,
and formally lead to orbits that are only piecewise smooth.
(3) A third and possibly most promising direction arises from experimental games. The last
few years have witnessed an explosive growth in this field
(Kagel and Roth, 1995),
driven, in part, by the intention of empirically testing hypotheses brought forward in the
context of theoretical models
(Nowak et al., 2000; Sigmund et al., 2002). Experiments
have now reached a very exciting stage – using, among other tools, brain imaging and the
analysis of hormone levels (Sanfey et al., 2003). So far, models for the ultimatum game
(Kagel and Roth, 1995; Gale et al., 1995; Nowak et al., 2000; Page et al., 2000; Sanfey et
al., 2003), the public goods game (see above), and for indirect reciprocation (Sugden,
1986; Boyd and Richerson, 1992; Pollock and Dugatkin, 1992; Lotem et al., 1999) have
been studied empirically (e.g., Wedekind and Milinski, 2000; Fehr and Gächter, 2002),
all against a backdrop of theoretical research partly developed at IIASA. Many other
variants of experimental games (for instance, the trust game, the ultimatum game with
responder competition, or the alternation of rounds with direct and indirect reciprocation)
are obvious candidates for establishing greater understanding by means of modeling
efforts. The resulting interweaving of theoretical and empirical results is long overdue,
and promises deep insights into the emergence of cooperation.'

Cladistics and Captology excellent tools, all based on A THEORY.


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Post by RANDY » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:36 pm

tamtam wrote:Barucha ba shim elohim

I was told this is just a friendly "What's up?" in Hebrew.

So I was thinking poorly...due to Jewish guilt, Tam

if I am being told the truth (by this fellow Hebrew school buddy who is more Jewish than I am)

"Hello with respect" to you too.

Barucha ba shim elohim
A beginning ba(?) shim(?) elohim (G_D) Did you mean ha shim

Most prayers start with Baruch a-toy adan-oy elo-ha-new...I am the only Jew I know that has celebrated 5 years of Ramadan. My Hbebrew is non existant.

Now if Tam is in Germany like many say he is this "I know you are a Jew" statement could be anti-semetic..cause Germany has not always been fond of us. We get in their way of them thinking that they are a superior race and Genecide was a favorite theme of theirs and I believe this disease is a genecide although hopefully it did not start out to be one.

I have many translators that are German so things have changed..but those type of Germans still do exist. It is so very scary if they are smart and evil. You get Iran and Russia wiping out Israel then what is next?

Man have I strayed off subject.

Anyways..I will believe the kinder version of my thoughts.




Post by ukguy » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:59 pm

John Kern wrote:So much drama. So much unwarranted drama.

Look guys, just focus on the fibers. Figure out what they are. Use statistics.

Without the fibers you are no more special than anyone else with painfully bad skin.

Don't let it take over your lives. You DO have that choice.

- John

John! So glad you decided to stay - or at least it appears that way.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the fibres. For many people this
is THE common symptom and one which is tangible - although maybe
not the easiest with which to gain understanding from our GP's.

For all the talk of kleenex, lint , other man-made fibres and how they
may come to be in or on a person's skin, my fibres can be seen to
emerge from my skin and regularly in the same places.

I can differentiate between these fibres and other fibres that may be
picked up during my journey to the microscope.

I'm due to see a Dermatologist in just over a week's time and right
now, just as you said, all I really have that I can realistically discuss
during this initial meeting are the intense itching and the fibres.
I hope I can discuss matters a little more freely but until I'm there,
there's just no way of knowing.

I have visions of being ejected from the premises by a matronly nurse
after producing a spray bottle of tea tree oil ;)

That's another interesting aspect. Whereas many people suffer from
horrendous lesions, and over such a prolonged period of time that
this can be seen to be a definite symptom of this disease in their
bodies. I had small lesions a couple of years ago for a few weeks
but have had none since.

What's different about me / my environment that explains this?
Do i have a different strain than others?

My main focus is the fibres because regardless of what else may be
going in my body, I can produce these quite easily and hopefully
someone in a professional capacity will find this as intriguing as I.

I'm really pleased youre back John, and I'm sure alot of other people
are also.

Regarding TamTam: the journey with TamTam has been frustrating and
mesmerising at the same time. But if you can put aside the presentation
from the actual content, he has produced a fascinating body of work
that still rings true for alot of people. I just cannot believe someone
would put so much effort into this if his intentions were not honest.

Bottom line: there is more than enough room for your expert advice
and opinions and those of TamTam. I don't see any reason why you
should need to fight it out here. Some people will align with your way
of thinking and some people will align with TamTam's. Many will
benefit from the wisdom on both sides.

At this stage it seems to me that, like most people here, you're both
looking for the truth. Your approaches are different but as I see it, this
could benefit the people here enormously. Thankfully, although we
disagree at times our ultimate goal appears to be the same.

Anyway, I hope you do decide to stay John.

Best regards


Post by ukguy » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:08 am

tamtam wrote:Barucha ba shim elohim

Ok TamTam

What I don't get spent alot of time constructing
your retorts to John....can I get an answer on my
question regarding the possibility of some level of co-operation
between yourself and Dr Wymore?

Please? :)

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Post by denis » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:38 am

hello all you disease sufferers.....i do not have any great scientific contributions to make to your thread but am only a lowly victim of this insane horror....i , too , am going to see a far 4 have thrown me out calling me whacko......what is best way to try to get results. So far in all my readings on this no one seems to say anything about even a hint at a cure or way to fight this stuff.....why will no doctors take it seriously??? Have you discussed any plans for how we can get together and fight this more organized-like???
it so sucks to have our lives pulled out from under us.....we can't just take it!! how about a march on the CDC with news coverage....
i don't know but i'm with you guys if i can help



Post by ukguy » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:40 am

Hi Denis

Have you visited the Lymebusters forum?

There are alot of knowledgeable and helpful people there.

Best regards


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