The Colin Leslie Dean species paradox

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Post by gamila » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:22 pm

Species don't just roll out like a new sedan. It takes a while for them to split from the original population.


so when it split from the original population it was a different species from the original population
so
what did this new first ever species of bird mate with

thus the dean species paradox
similarly
who did the first bird mate with who did the first dog mate with

an individual of species A gives birth to a individual of the new species B so who did this new individual of new species B mate with to continue the new species


either

1)there was no one to mate with- so how did the new species B become common
or
2)a whole lot of species A gave birth toa whole lot of new individuals of species B at the same time so that these new individual members of species B could mate together

if this 2) was the way it happened
we have a major problem
it would mean something made a whole lot of members of species A give birth to a whole lot new members of species B at the same time
we are told species form due to random mutations
so
it is beyound possibility that the same random mutation took place in a whole lot of different members of species A at the same time

the other alternative is that some intelligence was at work

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Post by papa1983 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:57 pm

Like I said a speciation doesn't happen instantly. There was not a first "bird". Because of environmental changes and mutation, nature favored dinosaurs that were more bird-like until they looked much like birds do today. This is after many many generations of reproduction.
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Post by biohazard » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:12 pm

gamila wrote:so when it split from the original population it was a different species from the original population
so
what did this new first ever species of bird mate with


the first bird mated with the last birdlizard
thus
colin lesile dean paradox is falsified

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Post by telanerv » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:31 pm

gamila, here's ur answer: the "first bird' mated with other "first birds"

OTHER SIMILAR ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TIME AND TIME AGAIN

see:
EVOLUTION IS WRONG BECAUSE OF WOODPECKERS
--WOODPECKERS DEFY EVOLUTION BECAUSE THE FIRST BIRD WOULD HAVE BROKE HIS BEAK TRYING TO PECK THROUGH THE HARD WOOD

etc etc
im not versed in this disinformation, but i've been alive long enough to hear the same tune sung in a different chord




you don't get it bro, all this evolution stuff happens over a continuum

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Post by gamila » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:00 am

gamila, here's ur answer: the "first bird' mated with other "first birds"


then you have point 2 of colin leslie deanns paradox

2)a whole lot of species A gave birth toa whole lot of new individuals of species B at the same time so that these new individual members of species B could mate together

if this 2) was the way it happened
we have a major problem
it would mean something made a whole lot of members of species A give birth to a whole lot new members of species B at the same time
we are told species form due to random mutations
so
it is beyound possibility that the same random mutation took place in a whole lot of different members of species A at the same time

the other alternative is that some intelligence was at work

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Post by papa1983 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:12 am

Wait.... So a Utah Raptor didn't give birth to a flamingo? That just doesn't make sense.
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Post by papa1983 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:40 am

Gamila,

So you are saying that a Donkey with gene A can't mate with a Donkey with mutated gene A(mA)? What if gene mA made a Donkey more fit than Donkeys with gene A. You should end up with a lot of Donkeys with gene mA, no?
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Post by gamila » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:03 am

So you are saying that a Donkey with gene A can't mate with a Donkey with mutated gene A(mA)? What if gene mA made a Donkey more fit than Donkeys with gene A. You should end up with a lot of Donkeys with gene mA, no?


the question is really simple
what did the first ever species of bird mate with

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Post by papa1983 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:51 am

the question is really simple
what did the first ever species of bird mate with


The first species of bird reproduced with other members of its species.

And you can't regurgitate that species A and species B garbage. I already explained how you can get a lot of a new species.

So you are saying that a Donkey with gene A can't mate with a Donkey with mutated gene A(mA)? What if gene mA made a Donkey more fit than Donkeys with gene A. You should end up with a lot of Donkeys with gene mA, no?


Just replace "Donkey" with "Bird" and then multiply by many generations, you get speciation. The mA population become so different that they can no longer have viable offspring with the A population.
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Post by gamila » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:54 am

The first species of bird reproduced with other members of its species.


how could it mate with other members of its species when it was the first ever species of bird

being the first ever of its species that means its the ONLY bird around -so how could it mate with other members of its species since it is the only one around

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Post by gamila » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:12 am

So you are saying that a Donkey with gene A can't mate with a Donkey with mutated gene A(mA)? What if gene mA made a Donkey more fit than Donkeys with gene A. You should end up with a lot of Donkeys with gene mA, no?


you get speciation. The mA population become so different that they can no longer have viable offspring with the A population.


you are floundering

now we seem to have 2 species of donkey - gene A donkey and gene mA donkey

so which is the first species of donkey - Donkeys with gene mA or donkey with gene A


what i want to know is what did the first ever species of donkey gene A mated with
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what did the first ever species donkey gene mA mated with

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