The Art of Life

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Post by robertkernodle » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:56 pm

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Oil does not mix with water, but this conflict seems fundamental to life structures.


Oil-water mixtures self organize into patterns that appeal to our liking, as well as to our logic.


I am interested in YOUR experiences with liquid mixtures:

* which liquid chemicals do the most interesting things,

* what to mix with what in which proportions to get intriguing reactions,

* anything you know about liquids and mixtures that cause self organizing.


Thanks for your insights,

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Post by wannabeaditz » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:08 pm

this is not very scientif as i was just washing up but i found that the last bit of light soya (liguid in glass bottle in the UK anyway) did not mix with the water but rose above it and formed a red layer.

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Post by robertkernodle » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:40 pm

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Hi wannabeaditz,

I'm not sure what you mean by "light soya". I think I know, but could you clarify. And no apologies necessary; I am on the edge between science and art, so all liquid experiences are worth considering here.

Oh, before I forget,... sorry, moderator, that I had to inconvenience you to move this post from the "cell biology" forum, but it seemed that the most specific knowledge relevant to my topic would be pruned from the experts there.

I'm looking for specific chemicals that do neat things, and I'm curious how these "neat things" might also be precursors to the dynmics of living processes.

Thanks again for insights,

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Post by kotoreru » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:00 pm

Perhaps you would be interested in looking into the experiment of Miller and Urey? It's probably not 'pretty' in the sense of things, but may be helpful in some way.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

Also, if one places certain lipids and nucleic acids in a jar and shakes them vigorously then you can actually form 'proto-cells' i.e. they have a lipid membrane that separates the inside from the outside. Cant remember the specifics now though...

Will get back to you if I can. Hope that helps.
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Post by wannabeaditz » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:44 pm

light soya sauce. it's what you put on noodles and other chinese food
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Post by robertkernodle » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:15 pm

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Hi kotoreru,

Thanks for the general insight on lipid/nucleic acid mixtures. And DO get back with me, if you remember the specifics - I'm looking for exact mixtures to duplicate, observe and manipulate.

I know egg yoke, oil-water mixtures do the proto-cell thing. I'll give that a try eventually, as part of my manipulations and colorations.


TO: wannabeaditz,

Light soya sauce is what I thought you meant. I had already thought of that one, but thanks for strengthening it as a possibility.

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Post by robertkernodle » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:11 pm

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Here are examples of the types of information that I am looking for (YOU might find them of use too):

BZ Reaction

Nonlinear kinetics


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Post by kotoreru » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:05 pm

Wow insightful links, Robert Kernodle :)
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Post by mith » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:55 pm

I saw a briggs rauscher demo in chem1, it was particularly cool cuz yellow and blue were our school colors.
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