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Post by southcity » Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:28 pm

Barz said " I am happy to see the UDS link you posted South. Now tell me why the CDC has not set up a similar database."

I believe they or an affiliate already had set up a database and you all may remember it as NUSPA or the unidentified skin parasite assoc. I have valid reasons why I believe this was so. Possibly the 3 remaining members of the MRF also, though I am not as certain of this.

"First they ignore you...
Then they laugh at you...
Then they fight you...
Then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:45 pm

i hope this is not the reason for the odd symmetry that the fake scars have...........

Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute, Korea

Optimization of Non-Uniformly Spaced Planar
Array Geometry for Maximum Side-Lobe Reduction

"A non-uniformly spaced array (NUSA) can superbly achieve low SLL by optimally adjusting elements’ positions with uniform excitations [1–3]. Recently, we proposed a pattern synthesis method of a non-uniformly spaced linear array (NUSLA) using the Gauss-Newton algorithm [4]. To design an optimal NUSPA structure, our approach makes use of the thinned array [5] combined with our proposed NUSLA technique under some constraints. In our synthesis method for an optimal NUSPA with low side-lobe level (SLL), first, the optimized NUSLA designed by the proposed method [4] is extended to a two dimensional (2-D) rectangular array lattice to obtain an initial array geometry. Next, a genetic algorithm (GA) is applied to implement the thinned array theory
in order to adjust the arrangements of the initial NUSPA. As design examples of an optimal planar array, we consider several planar arrays, such as NUSPA with rectangular grid, USPA with rectangular grid, and USPA with triangular grid. The optimized planar array geometriesusing the proposed planar array pattern synthesis method are presented and are also compared.
[1] Harrington, R. F., “Sidelobe reduction by nonuniform element spacing,” IRE Trans. Antennas and Propagat., 187–192, Mar. 1961.
[2] Hodjat, F. and S. A. Hovanessian, “Nonuniformly spaced linear and planar array antennas
for sidelobe reduction,” IEEE Trans. Antennas Propagat., Vol. AP-26, No. 2, 198–204,Mar. 1978.
[3] Yu, C.-C., “Sidelobe reduction of asymmetric linear array by spacing perturbation,” IEE
Electronics Letters, Vol. 33, No. 9, 730–732, April 1997.
[4] Bae, J.-H., K.-T. Kim, J.-H. Lee, H.-T. Kim, and J.-I. Choi, “Design of steerable non-uniform linear array geometry for side-lobe reduction,” Microwave and Optical Technology
Letters, Vol. 36, No. 5, 363–367, March 5, 2003.
[5] Haupt, R. L., “Thinned arrays using genetic algorithms,” IEEE Trans. Antennas and
Propagat., Vol. 42, No. 7, 993–999, May 1994.


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Post by Nadas Moksha » Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:51 pm

that last stepping stone was a bit of a stretch so this
perspective on the mechanistics seems
to get overlooked in most of the US papers
(prob from funding and disinfo.)

Chattar Manzil Palace, Post Box No. 173, Lucknow - 226 001 (INDIA)

"Looking into the depths of eukaryotic evolution-
ary history when organelle genomes were still as big
as their prokaryotic ancestors, and when the host
genome lacked everything that it later acquired from
organelles, the downpour of DNA from organelles
must have decisively shaped the eukaryotic genome.
After all, at the time when ancestral mitochondria
first took up residence in their host, there were nei-
ther transit peptides nor was there a protein import
machinery to target the protein products of trans-
ferred genes back to mitochondria. Accordingly, early
transfers from the primitive mitochondrion (a fully-
fledged eubacterium) would have enriched the
archaebacterial-derived chromosomes of the host
with a whole genome’s worth of eubacterial genes,
over and over again. However, expressed products
could have been targeted only to the host’s cytosol
and plasma membrane and not to the organelle.
Only after protein import into mitochondria had
evolved (and later, independently for chloroplasts,
could the process of organelle genome reduction
begin. In its youth, endosymbiotic gene transfer was a
powerful and chimaera-generating mechanism of
natural variation that is truly unique to the eukary-
otic lineage. Indeed, a look into prokaryotic chromo-
somes shows that they possess nearly all the attributes
of eukaryotic chromosomes, what is unique in
eukaryotes is that there is more than one genetic
compartment for the kinds of genes those free-living prokaryotes
possessed.Today, thinking on the relatedness of prokaryotes and
eukaryotes is still dominated by the ‘universal’tree of
rRNA, which would have us believe that eukaryotes
should possess mainly,if not exclusively,genes that are
archaebacterial in origin .As we gather more data,
this view is looking increasingly insecure.For exam-
ple, Rivera et al. found that about two-thirds of the
genes in the yeast genome that had identifiable
prokaryotic homologues are more similar to eubacter-
ial homologues than to archaebacterial homologues.
Current views on how so many genes of eubacterial
origin came to reside in the eukaryotic nuclear
genome fall into a range, the extremes of which can
be labelled as ‘mitochondria’ and ‘lateral gene trans-
fer’ (LGT). One extreme (‘mitochondria’), holds the
view that all these eubacterial-like genes ultimately
stem from the ancestral mitochondrial genome
. At
the other extreme is the view that the overall gene
contribution from mitochondria is small and that
various eukaryotic lineages have acquired eubacterial
genes either through lineage-specific lateral transfers
or from a mysterious symbiont in the ancient past.
The main difficulty with the ‘mitochondria’view is
that most eubacterial-like genes in the eukaryotic genome
do not branch specifically with a-proteobacterial
homologues in phylogenetic trees. To account for this,
the ‘mitochondria’ view requires a few tenable corol-
lary assumptions.
First, gene phylogenies are imperfect
(that is, gene trees produce erroneous branches for
mathematical reasons).
Second, sampling is
incomplete (that is, more a-proteobacterial genomes
will provide a fuller picture).
Third, LGT among
prokaryotes in the two billion years since the origin
of mitochondria has mixed up the chromosomes of
free-living prokaryotes, thereby confounding today’s
Fourth, when genes are transferred from
organelles to the nucleus,they undergo a phase of evo-
lution during which they acquire some odd mutations
before they become fully functional,which can alter
their position in gene trees.

The main difficulty with the LGT view is the lack of
direct evidence from eukaryotic genomes in its favour.
Initial analysis of the human genome sequence indi-
cated that LGT from free-living prokaryotes to eukary-
otes is widespread."
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Post by Maggie Mae » Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:54 pm

Well Randy,
You pressed some motivation buttons with your last CDC post...I thought it might be some great stress release to follow in your, cutting and pasting, and adding a bit here and there...this is what I shipped off

Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:44 AM
To: Rutz, Dan (CDC/CCID/NCID)
Subject: Fiber Disease

Dear Sir,

I am a 12 year sufferer of this hedious disease and am damn sick of looking like a stone face Geisha - do you understand that this lack of response and ignoring our pleas only accentuate the notion that there is a coverup from the top down and we will expose it...mark my words...we have a secret weapon as well.

I am requesting the following questions to be answered in detail....under the Freedom of Information Act which if necessary, I will send formally, and registered.

I contacted the CDC back in 1994 (July) and was directed to a Parasite specialist that worked for CDC but was in Fort Collins...I sent him samples as far back as then...I have copies of all correspondence. There is going to be a class action suit filed, I assure you and you can be certain that the CDC is named you not know about Human Rights and Experimental Testing -this is tandamount to what they did in Nazi Germany and laws set into place so that this would not happen again...although we know all too well, that the makers of the laws are usually the breakers of the laws. Malocha' immediately on you until you give us TRUTH. Try that one on for psychosymatic.

As Randy Beth requested previously, I too, am asking....:

1) Please give me the number that doctors can call to ask about this disease if they have someone sitting in their office.

2) Has anyone conference as of yet and may I please have the minutes of that meeting.

3) What is the CDC doing about the hole in the system that exists where no unknown disease or syndrome has a protocol unless many die all at once or a mass disfiguration occurs. Where is the protocol for a genetic engineered bioterrorsim weapon that causes a slow death?


I will keep on writing this note to you until I get a REAL answer. I will be taking these questions to the PRESS during this election year!

Seems you have a lot of irons in the fire, eh...

CDC spokesman Dan Rutz says the agency has moved slowly not because it doubts Morgellons is real, but because that's the nature of governmental agencies. And he insists that the task force is more than just lip service. An infectious disease specialist has been named to head the group (which will also include environmental disease and mental health experts), although he can't release her name.

"We aren't saying anyone is making this up, that's not our contention," Rutz says. "What we aren't sure of is if this represents a new entity, you know, a disease. I mean we're not using that term yet, we're kind of describing it as a syndrome, but for the most part there is no case definition.

Maybe Monkeypox....with a twist???
Biology Online and a whole lot of other people and sites.

and the response - quickly, I might add -

Dear Mm

CDC’s epidemiologic inquiry into this situation will commence as soon as details with the inviting state ( California ) are finalized. We expect this to happen soon and be in the field within a month. It is always risky to get too specific about dates, but I can assure you we are doing our best to find answers as quickly as possible. Our aim is move beyond the speculation and casual theories that dominate the topic and, instead, develop a scientific basis for identifying and understanding relevant issues.

I judge from your tone that you are somewhat frustrated. So are we. We are pained by the clear demonstrations of distress that come our way through messages such as yours. There is however, nothing to be gained by creating absurd comparisons or issuing thinly veiled threats. While I am, sincerely interested in addressing public health concerns, I must insist that we proceed in an environment of mutual respect and common courtesy. That is my pledge to you and I expect the same in return.

Since you clearly have seen my responses to the questions you pose, there is no need for me to repeat my responses. It is our profound hope that our inquiry will provide information of clinical value. However we simply aren’t there yet. Our advice must remain, for individuals and their health care providers to consider symptoms rather than labels, i.e., “Morgellons” is not a clinically useful term inasmuch as it is not scientifically defined, and to focus instead on characterizing and treating that which is apparent to both patient and healthcare provider. In order for this to work best, both parties must strive to be open-minded, mutually respectful, and trusting.

Thank you for your continued patience. It is my profound hope that, for you, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Sincerely, Dan

This is unacceptable...we have YEARS AND YEARS of the most observant, minute, and hit and miss study information ever gathered....I will and I suggest all of you, get the FOIA request letter and fill in the blanks, and mail registered and certified. I have been dealing with the ghosts for way too long.

When strange things start happening to the perps and they think about the "maybe she's really put the malocha' on us...." we can assure them that "IT'S ALL IN THEIR HEADS."

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:05 pm

maggie m got rutz to spit it out ..

"What we aren't sure of is if this represents a new entity, you know, a disease. I mean we're not using that term yet, we're kind of describing it as a syndrome, but for the most part there is no case definition. "

they are basically saying this is man made or extra terrestrial.

im diggin this. four leaf CLOVER?

what a stage....

with this size of an operating theater this show could make 911 look like
an infomercial.

any one seen william cooper lately?

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Post by Maggie Mae » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:13 pm

He's wading in deep water with the fishes - loven' those radioactive, cement boots.
Screw em and if they don't believe in the Italian evil eye, then there are my friends from Haiti....

I wish to God they would just friggen' admit it, and let us deal with it, rather than say we are owners of vivid insulting...
Anybody know about Elijah and the bear I said, our secret weapon.

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Post by Nadas Moksha » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:32 pm

how refreshing MM thanks ...

if we could only get these LAB dancers to be still and gaze into Katrina Eye


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Post by befour » Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:58 pm

Thanks DS,

So.....they're (the CDC) just sittin' around waiting for some, or most of us to "croak"...HUH??!!!

Well..... I think I will be polite......and let them GO first!!! (GO CROAK, that is.)


Maggie Mae,

Way to go girl!! You know when you get a reply back that quickly......that you have struck a nerve!!!

I can visualize their carefully constructed "house of cards" beginning to fall......and it brings a smile to my face!!

And by the way..... if anyone out there does NOT believe in the power of curses, such as the "evil eye" or the voodoo practiced down in the swamps of Louisiana......just read the true story of Marie LaVeaux, the famous New Orleans voodoo queen.....she is actually buried in the French Quarter.

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re: frog?

Post by SarahBione » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:18 pm

Skytroll wrote:Sarah Bione,

Tell me, Ms. Bione, you do not know about this frog?

A deadly new threat has emerged recently. An infectious fungal disease called amphibian chytridiomycosis is having catastrophic effects on amphibians all over the globe. This disease may well be the result of global climate change. Recent events in Panama illustrate perfectly a pattern of amphibian decline clearly associated with this disease and the power of scientific data to that allows scientist to launch pro-active conservation responses.

Recently, Dr. Karen Lips of Southern Illinois University and colleagues offered a model of a wave-like spread of the fungus across Costa Rica and Panama. This model predicted that in 2006 the rich amphibian fauna in the vicinity of El Valle de Antón in central Panama, would suffer a catastrophic decline because of chytrid fungus.

In response, biologists from Zoo Atlanta and Atlanta Botanical Garden launched an unprecedented pre-emptive extraction of amphibians from areas predicted to be devastated by disease. Biologists flew the frogs from Panama to safer environments in Atlanta. Now 35 amphibian species from this region live in colonies in Atlanta, that assure their survival.

As predicted, the fungus recently arrived in El Valle, and the inevitable deaths are now occurring.

All available scientific data indicate that the amphibian fauna of El Valle has begun its terminal decline that will result in a major loss of regional populations and, quite likely, extinction of multiple species. In this case, scientific data regarding the location of the fungus allowed some pre-emptive conservation measures.

Rapid response led by the Houston Zoo, Panamanian government and Atlanta-based institutions have resulted in a permanent in-country facility for safeguarding critically threatened species. Thus, the endemic species of this region have at least some hope of avoiding extinction. We cannot say the same for many populations and species in other parts of the Central America or the World. Directed research such as that by Reid Harris of James Madison University, Virginia and Richard Retallick of James Cook University in Queensland, Australia offer some hope that, with a bit of help along the way, some amphibians may be able to avoid extinction.



Mr. Skytroll,

Frogs are not bugs. Fungii are not bugs. I worked in bugs. The work I did was not in frogs or fungus, and especially not in frogs or fungus coming our of your skin (or the illusion of that).

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Post by SarahBione » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:21 pm

tamtam wrote:Again,
This type argument can easily be understood if you take into account that it is impossible to introduce a "missing link" without severe consequences for the disciplines.

However, this "missing link" is brought into culture and identified as a synthetic model organism.

I like to stress that it is mandatory that people understand that initial research could best be done autonomous (instigated and financed by the public) since it is unlikely that official channels ever will inform the public about the true scope of this particular occult acting man made pathogen (...)

Not only will this synthetic model organism reconstitute insect like entity but also an autonomous acting synthetic vector, and peculiar translation of plant,
mammal and higher primate (....)




We corresponded several times and I requested a transcript of your video-- or maybe an outline of the points, as I and other folks found it impossible to understand. You said you would send this, and I haven't received it yet. I don't suppose you could post the transcript or an outline of the series of experiments and logic right here on the board for everyone's perusal?

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Post by tamtam » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:00 pm

Dear Sarah,

Identification is not synonymous with screening.

The situation is so that the monitors have been informed and that I see no reason to start screening a multi cellular acting pathogen (....)

Things are evident enough, I can assure you.

There is no budget present to yield this type data and if this was the case it would represent a serious investment not fit to be put "on the corner of the street"

It is my opinion that the responsible parties will have to draw a conclusion and understand that they will have to step forward - at once!



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Post by Skytroll » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:23 am

Sarah Bione,

Why so defensive? What did you do with the DNA sample from my specimens I sent you?
You sent me back Pesticide information.
Why are you going from endomology to psychology?
Will we in the future have an endopsychodermatology discipline?
I certainly look forward to that.

Oh, by the way bugs do carry fungus, expecially the PHORID FLY. Brevaria bassiana.
So, it might open your eyes if you took a look at fungus, and I do believe they carry WOLBACHIA also. Most likely algal spores.
Do you not look at what bacterias the bugs carry and the worms associated with those bacterias, all carried by the sandfly, tstse fly, PHORID FLY, wasps, sad thing about the honey bees though.
And.....Thelohania is making a mess of crabs, too.

Sarah, some of us are University educated, but, some of this is common sense. Where do you stand?

Ms. Skytroll


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