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Watson is

racist
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13%
senile
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7%
scientifically justified
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27%
misrepresented by media
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40%
cheezeburger
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13%
 
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Watson's disgrace

Postby AstusAleator » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:07 am

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/st ... 80,00.html

This is a bit of an old story. I kept meaning to mention it here, but always forgot to do so until now. James Watson was the co-discoverer of the gentic code; a discovery that revolutionized biology. A month ago or so, he made some remarks about black people having lower intelligence than other races, and was subsequently widely shunned and denounced.

I'm curious to know what the members of this forum think about this turn of events.
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Postby canalon » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:47 am

Polls are enabled...

And I would have voted an old racist who probably enjoys making controversial statement (makes publicity), and whose controversial statement will always be blown up by the media. But a nobel prize is an award for wonderful acomplishments and certainly not a proof of universal competence as many laureatees have proved...
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Postby AstusAleator » Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:23 am

Thanks for setting up the poll for me Canalon. I couldn't figure out how to do it :D.

Hmm, so far it's looking like nobody cares about Watson... otherwise known as cheezeburger (gosh that sounds tasty right now)
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Postby Ultrashogun » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:58 pm

From what I read he basically saud that anybody who has worked with black people knows that they arent as well adapted to a working environment. I personally dont have any experience with this, but Ive heard the same thing on many independent accounts.
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Postby mith » Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:52 pm

Well the availability heuristic isn't very scientific is it?
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Postby AstusAleator » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:35 pm

I'm worried about the potential damage his statements may do. People with little knowledge, or already harboring racist thoughts may take him at his word. He's a very famous influential person, and an authority on genetics!
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Postby BioLad » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:07 am

I figure he has freedom of speech like everyone else. Although I also think that as a scientist, if he were wanting to make such a claim he should produce evidence to support it. Seriously, if you are going to say something that controversial you'd better have proof. I guess the same would go for Farakahn though when he says us whities were the result of experiments by evil mad black scientists. I'd love to see the evidence for that!
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Postby AstusAleator » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:38 am

We all have freedom of speech. But don't you think it would be damaging if the president of the U.S. said something prejudicial about Jews? There are already LOTS of anti-semites, and if they felt the president supported their views who knows what they'd do? The thing is the power and notoriety of a person adds a lot of impact to their words.
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Postby Jones » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:22 pm

Seems to me this is only a big deal because of who he is. A lot of people think that way and this should not be a shock. It only really matters how the man acts on the belief. Maybe publicly stating that blacks are not as intelligent as whites was not such a fantastic idea, but he's only human. If he has reason, then what's the problem? And I hate to say this because I am honestly not racist, and I don't think it's blacks to whites as more as it's Africans to 'Westerners' but we are smarter, and that's really as a whole rather than parts of africa because I most certainly am not saying that EVERYONE in Africa is uneducated. Really it's because Western civilization is more technologically advanced.
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Postby mith » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:17 pm

Education is not a measure of intelligence. If it was, the kalahari bushmen would think you're dumb for not knowing how to find water in a desert.

In fact the "intelligence quotient" is not really an intelligence measure either. Read Gould's Measure of Man to get more details on how various tests are biased towards literacy(in english).
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Postby MichaelXY » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:50 pm

Nicely put Mith, I could not reply as I was reeling in pain from biting my lip.
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Postby Jones » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:24 am

Okay, not unintelligent per se, but not um, modern? Not exactly stupid, because yes they do have there own measure of intelligence in their culture, but really kind of uncivilized.
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