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Postby kotoreru » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:28 am

One of the biggest arguments at University I ever saw was between a muslim girl and a particularly ignorant older lady.

She just couldn't understand why someone who didn't believe in evolution would be on a Biology course. At first neither did I, but then I realised it's not really that simple.

It's just a course, after all, and isn't making true scientists of us any more than school did.
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Postby David George » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:39 pm

kotoreru your absolutely right they just come read get marks[by memorising everything] and get a decent job settle in life.But still a significant number of them in my class said they wanted to be a scientist[mainly girls that really shook me up].But I convinced myself by saying they were big fat liars.
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Postby mith » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:15 pm

http://www.dailymotion.com/merugo/video/5072353

I think Americans have quite a way to go before even thinking about evolution--such as the hurdle of flat earth?
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:55 pm

The problem with America today is that we're all too busy defending our own personal beliefs and we never bother to examine if those beliefs are true or even logical to begin with. Anti-evolution people are notorious for this, but I find atheists are even worse as far as blind faith and illogical assumptions.
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Postby David George » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:38 pm

ofcourse any atheist is notorious to a theist
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Postby E8-not42 » Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:06 pm

I always thought a good question to ask is:

Do you feel that you could smarter or better at any one thing than both your parents. Could your child be smarter than you and your spouse?

If the answer is yes, you believe in evolution.
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Postby AstusAleator » Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:13 pm

Eh... there's lots of problems with that.

Intelligence is not necessarily genetically determined, aside from the larger capacity of the human genome to enable it. There is another current thread addressing whether or not our intelligence is evolving, so I won't go too far on the topic here.

For evolution to occur there must be a shift in gene frequencies. These shifts are most commonly explained by natural selection or genetic drift. Your scenario doesn't take into account any sort of selection (aside from the possible assumption that intelligence gives higher fitness) or genetic drift.

You're misrepresenting evolution by posing your question and conclusion, and spreading a common misunderstanding.

It is this line of thinking that causes people to believe that citizens of advanced societies are more highly evolved than those of more primitive societies, which is entirely untrue.
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Postby E8-not42 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:09 am

If the offspring has changed (improved or not) in anyway from the parents and God did not do it ( even creationists don't say he personally designs every single person) , then that leaves rom for another explanation.

If there can be even the smallest improvement without God's designing it directly, then the path from ooze to human is possible without God. You just need time to 'add' the improvements together.

The exact definition of evolution is irrelevant (though nice to know).

The fact is you do believe in evolutions main premise. Improvement in design from a system - not a creator.
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Postby MichaelXY » Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:43 am

4) The dinosaurs, which are said to have lived 100 million years ago have been unearthed with soft tissue/proteins embedded in their bones, which indicates that they could not possibly be millions of years old. Also, ancient art and sculptures have depicted dinosaurs on cave walls and on art.

Ancient art like that seen in Lascaux France depict animals like the wooly mammoth, and the smilodon. These are not dinosaurs.

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Postby E8-not42 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:27 pm

MichaelXY wrote:4) The dinosaurs, which are said to have lived 100 million years ago have been unearthed with soft tissue/proteins embedded in their bones, which indicates that they could not possibly be millions of years old. Also, ancient art and sculptures have depicted dinosaurs on cave walls and on art.

Ancient art like that seen in Lascaux France depict animals like the wooly mammoth, and the smilodon. These are not dinosaurs.

Man, I need to learn not to reply in the middle of a thread. :oops:



I have no idea why they could not possibly be millions of years old.

Insects have been found, intact, in amber for hundreds of years. Mamoths have been found in ice etc. It is very obvious the genetic material can last a very very long time in the right conditions.

What this shows however is that fossilization can happen in different ways. The fact that finding genetic material in a fossil is so rare actually supports the fact it is so old. If it was a common process and age was not a factor we would find it with virtually every fossil. Dig up a grave and see for yourself!

You have to support such claims as
which indicates that they could not possibly be millions of years old
with evidence. Even one case of genetic material surviving past normal decaying periods (I have given you two case) clearly shows decay can be slow and possible halted entirely by natural processes. It would not be a hard stretch to imagine a third.
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Postby tebuffer » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:21 pm

1. Nucleic acids are the genetic material in any living form
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Re: 5 best proofs of evolution

Postby kthatch » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:45 am

Idea: Could the whole process of evolution be God's way of working? Why do they have to be two seperate beliefs? I believe in the Bible, and I believe that God would not lie to us. We ask for proof that God exists, we demand an answer to all the questions that we could possibly ask, and yet the answer is right in front of us...evolution at its best. Evolution IS divine. Take Biology and you will see that there is nothing non-divine about it. The whole process, starting at the very beginning, is so awe-inspiring that it, in fact, has become an inspiration for me and has left me thinking, "How can one Not believe in God?" Pray tell. Give me five proofs that their isn't a God... :?:
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