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Postby alextemplet » Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:23 pm

I see your point, mith, and certainly the media only shows the stupider news stories, so that might contribute to a perception of wide-spread stupidity. And while I do concede that there's still plenty of geniuses out there, I still think that overall humans are stupider than we were a few generations ago. The earlier example with calculators and math skills is an illustrative, if small-scale, example. As a whole people simply don't need to use their minds as much as they used to. Cars are another example. It used to be that an automatic transmission was a luxury only for the super-rich; now they're common to the point that 80% of drivers can't drive a manual at all. And politics, to me, is the final clincher to show how dumb people are getting. I'm sure you don't need me to elaborate on that since I will most likely digress into numerous angry rants, but I think you get my point.
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Postby Linn » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:41 am

Maybe we are heading towards "The singularity"
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Postby Dustfinger » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:33 am

The singularity ? AARgh..... no !! No space and ztime there, isn't it ?
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Postby narrowstaircase » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:00 am

why do people feel that changing from driving a manual car to an automatic or going from working out mathematical equations on paper to using a calculator is a regression in our overall evolutionary developement? people totally skip the mark in thinking about human endevours.

utterly dismissing ADD for whatever reasons is totally irresponsible. mental disorders have alot to do with subconcious escapism because our reality is so destructive to our spirit, or moral self. this question of our physiological 'fitness' totally pervades the real questions we should be asking ourselves.

if we dont tend to our 'other' side, our instinctive moral side, we probably will be the most physiologically perfect organism in the universe yet die on mass because of an unrealised purpose or meaning to our lives. talking about our 'fitness' without acknowledging a psychological developement and a moralistic endevour in human developement is espcapist in itself.
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Postby burninbriar » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:30 am

While I agree, our moral standards are going down the tubes, I don't think they are an inherited trait. My original question was intended towards permanent changes, or at least changes that would take generations to reverse.
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Postby AstusAleator » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:12 am

Narrowstaircase makes a good point. In a lot of cases we make false-dichotomies, since they are much simpler to deal with than the reality of situations (if such a thing exists). To say that a thing like ADD exists or doesn't, denies the true nature of the fact (again, if such a thing exists). But that is philosophical musing, and somewhat out of place in a discussion *theoretically* based in science. One of my psych professors is quoted as saying, "there's little psychology left, it's all biology and philosophy now."

Anyway, I tend to agree that some things are not necessarily becoming more prevalent, but just more visible due to media and large population.
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Postby charles brough » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:50 pm

The accumulatioln of health problems from the way we live does no harm to the human race because it has happened often and never occurs all over the world. It is a trait that undermines one society while another is recovering and growing stronger. Part of the reason the Roman-Greek world went into decline was health-related. Lead pipes were used in cities and people were poisened by them. There is nothing new under the sun!

Part of the heavy health cost system we have in the US is perhaps due to this accumulating of genetic defects. People with them are surgically or medically treated so they can reproduce.

Anyway, the proof is that we humans are genetically about the same as we were almost 200,000 years ago. That is the latest estimate of the so-far life span of Homo Sapiens.

Our cultural progress is what makes us differerent. That occurs through social evolution. charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
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Postby mith » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:19 pm

charles brough wrote:
Part of the heavy health cost system we have in the US is perhaps due to this accumulating of genetic defects. People with them are surgically or medically treated so they can reproduce.



I'd blame the aging boomer population and the cost of pharmeceuticals more than genetic problems.
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Postby charles brough » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:43 pm

so would I, but it is still part of the cost

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Postby AstusAleator » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:45 pm

WE MUST PURIFY THE HUMAN RACE! SIEG HIEL!

Was that innappropriate? I get the feeling that it was... hmmm...
yeah.. sorry about that.

But in my defense it does bring up an interesting point about the moral/ethical implications this kind of inquiry can have, especially if it is world-leaders that are conducting it.
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Postby burninbriar » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:15 am

charles brough wrote:The accumulatioln of health problems from the way we live does no harm to the human race because it has happened often and never occurs all over the world. It is a trait that undermines one society while another is recovering and growing stronger. Part of the reason the Roman-Greek world went into decline was health-related. Lead pipes were used in cities and people were poisened by them. There is nothing new under the sun!

Part of the heavy health cost system we have in the US is perhaps due to this accumulating of genetic defects. People with them are surgically or medically treated so they can reproduce.

Anyway, the proof is that we humans are genetically about the same as we were almost 200,000 years ago. That is the latest estimate of the so-far life span of Homo Sapiens.

Our cultural progress is what makes us differerent. That occurs through social evolution. charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com


You make a good point about the rise and fall of past civilizations and that we are still about genetically the same, but my point is that never before in history were we able to keep genetic duds (excuse the language) alive and reproducing like we do today. There really is no precedence for what will happen.
Again, I'd like to emphasize that I am referring to physical defects as much or more than the mental defects.
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Postby Linn » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:01 am

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You make a good point about the rise and fall of past civilizations and that we are still about genetically the same, but my point is that never before in history were we able to keep genetic duds (excuse the language) alive and reproducing like we do today. There really is no precedence for what will happen.


What kind of genetic "dud" are you talking about?
Steven Hawking type?

Society today is moving more toward valuing the mind than the body.
Even jobs worth doing now a days you need college. Years ago you just needed to finish high school or even drop out and you could be susccesful.
School days are being increased, kids are pushed to learning to read earlier. Kids that have trouble sitting still for two hours are being labeled as having ADHD where years ago they were just normal.

I have read about studies where woman are choosing geekier, brainy type guys over the macho types which were preferred in the past.

Those are changes I have witnessed.


So if the genetic "dud" doesnt affect the brain then it will not matter.

Only probelm will be if a world wide disaster happens and technology is wiped out and we need to go back to the old survival skills.
Like farming, nd hunting etc...

But, then again, by the time that happens they may have unraveled the
cause of these genetic disorders which most of the time, the direct result of a mutation in just one gene.

With aAdvances in technology,we are getting closer every day. :wink:
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