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Postby Maggie Mae » Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:30 pm

Found this while posting blogsites....thought we might look into this....look who posted it.....I'm thinking we need to make sure and get equal air time coverage...whatta' ya think?

Comment from: Smileykins [Visitor] · http://morgellonswatch.com/
Watch The Dr. Phil Show on Thursday, January 25th, for a segment on "morgellons disease".
01/14/07 _at_ 05:32

Everyone needs to e mail Dr. Phil and protest loudly to get equal air time.

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Postby tamtam » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:03 pm

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Postby mfromcanada » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:18 pm

tamtam, who is this for? I can't understand how this applies to this forum or the fiber disease. Is is for the Americans on this site?
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Postby Sabrina » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:20 pm

Randy,

Please note that it is not the contents of your post I question here but only wish to expose Frank’s intent. Had you inserted words such as “I speculate” or, “patterns I have found have been” or, “my experience is” then you would have almost nailed it. Pay attention to how you come across for Gods sake. This is exactly what so many of us have been telling you for so damn long!!! LOOK!

If you can change this arrogance then you may get the support from the real suffers like you have been requesting, that is if it is not too late for this. If you can start to do this then I personally will reconsider supporting your project. I will not make this offer again so please think very hard.

Now why would I do such a thing? Because I agree with Standby.

standby wrote:Frank, …...

You are focused on promoting the sole efforts of ONE individual yet fail or refuse to see or address the very actions that prevent them from achieving the goals they wish to achieve….

What ever your relationship really is whether personal or professional, you have succeeded in blowing your own cover and further inhibited the one you advocate for a much needed cause.

Realistically you have achieved nothing here except boosting your ego.


Even if I don’t like you Randy, and disapprove of how you go about doing what you do, I have no wish to keep you “further inhibited.” The goal is to UNITE.

Take a hard look.

Frank N Stein wrote:Because you are posting on a scientific discussion site, you are obligated to form your conclusions in a scientific manner, based upon scientific methodology.



Frank N Stein wrote: This is what separates the schitt that you have been fed here for so long from the shinola of sound scientific methodology that Randy is offering.


Randy, even you know you have not used any “scientific methodology” to conclude what you have in the post you made below. This is what YOU have found to be as factual as you, a lay person, can possibly come up with. That aint science, it is speculation from your experience only. Is most of it correct? Probably, but you cannot support any of it with the data required to be called a method of any sort. Frankie boy knows this. The question is, why is he once again lying? Answer that one!



RANDY wrote:This disease goes in stages.

Stage one is the most frightening, it usually comes with great fatigue, and these little black dots coming out of your body with lesions all over your face causing great stress and fear which only then adds to your stress and you become a welcome target for stage two.

You become obsessive compulsive searching the internet after you get even more stressed out by going to docs that you THOUGHT actually cared about humanity to find out not only do they not care about you but they are the enemy.

And if you are really lucky all those people that you thought cared about you all of a sudden are pissed off cuz you are not there for them anymore plus now they think you have lost your mind.

Stage two: You figure since you are out of cash, are too tired to work, feel like a leper and have no one to help you that you may was well take your life except that your kids and cats and dogs need you.

You are depressed because either your hair is falling out or you have to wear long sleeves in 100 degree heat with 90 % humidity which is why you think you can't remember your name or the telephone number to your best friends cell phone or why you can't string a simple freaking thought from start to finish without feeling like you have Alzheimer’s.

So you search the internet because this can not be happening to you ..unless you are in a twilight zone or maybe you have died and this is hell?

Stage three is that you decide to get tough and figure out your own regime of antibiotic, fungals and parasitics to knock whatever the hell this is out of you and then you think maybe this is a good thing since I have not gotten sick in such a long time...maybe aliens gave this to me and I will be saved when the comet hits the Earth in 2012..according to the Mayan calender.

And you just cry and then get mad and then get moving or you start drinking, feeling sorry for yourself and start doing drugs breaking down your immune system and worrying about everything.

You can angry and mad at the world and hate everyone and you go down hill fast

OR

You figure you have tried everything so you are going to get on with your life realizing you have an autoimmune disease not yet discovered and go start to change your eating habits and get rid of ALL bad habits that break down your immune system and you get out an exercise and become a positive person of light and love and you have faith that G-d would not do anything to you that you can not handle and you start to help yourself and others even if they decide to MASH YOUR BRAINS OUT EVERY TIME YOU DO.

Stage 4 is that you start to heal mentally and it starts to show physically and before you know it your lesions are healed and you feel pretty darn good most of the time.

This takes about 5 years. Three to five. The second wave of this disease seems to take 5 years in order to get close to remission.

Now this is the truth. If it is not your truth then you are either smoking, doing drugs or drinking or eating unhealthy foods or being negative and full of hate most of the time.

Honest...This is my second remission I feel I am going into. The relapse happened when I was under great stress. This hides in your body but you can live a full life without lesions, fatigue, brain fog and other symptoms if you do the right things.






Well now, here it is folks. Why even bother to research anything else? After all it is,

Frank N Stein wrote: the shinola of sound scientific methodology that Randy is offering.



.....................................


Frank N Stein wrote: Let’s look at what is considered as proof in objective scientific analysis. In logical and scientific analysis, a known object of study is observed and measured for data which define a set characteristics, which in turn support a conclusion……...




Frank N Stein wrote:Now I have a question for you, and will continue to ask this same question of you until you provide a valid answer that is also based upon scientific methodology……...

This is the biology-online.org scientific forum, not the USA Today entertainment forum.




Dear Frankie boy,

You make false accusations about people who attempt to help and yet you promote this? Like I said before, you may wish to educate others and especially the ones you support on the scientific method if they are unable to do it for themselves.

You are biased pal, and if you do not think that you are than prove me wrong.



RANDY wrote:What I think would be a great idea since the above post sounds logical is figure out

1) With this post what can you test for to prove it connects us. If you can or if you can find a way then we can take your posts one at a time and scientifically prove each one as it comes up.

This way we prevent endless posts that can not be proven and in reality are spam.

So let us start with this one. Lets connect it and prove it.



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Postby Sabrina » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:37 pm

Frank N Stein wrote: Even though I have told everyone here that my only intent is to assist in bringing help to my sick brothers and sisters at no profit to myself, there still seem to be some who question my intent a well as to obstruct your efforts. Perhaps the time has come to step out into the light of day and show them exactly what my intentions are.


standby wrote:Frank,

It is all to clear why you have devoted so much of your time to this site….



Frank N Stein wrote: I was just having fun with al. I don't know if he's a spammer or not. )


Making fun of sick people for no reason and making false accusations with no PROOF? What is your intent again? Amusement perhaps? Na, that would be sadistic.

When this condition is highly speculated that symptoms are exasperated by stress have you considered the damage you could be causing?

Frank N Stein wrote: I realize that I performed a great disservice to the sick people here and the board operators by amusing myself with you intermittently.


Did you say “AMUSMENT?” :?



Frank N Stein wrote: Deena..well have you ever been in a bar having a good time with someone and this sloppy loudmouth drunk keeps butting in?

I won't do that here again,........ maybe.............no I won't..........umm...........possibly. If I can ever determine exactly who has run the scam here, and al is not on the list, I'm going to invite him to an IRC stream that is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. (no pun intended al)


Having fun? FUN, FUN, Fu :wink:

If you have been able to determine that Al is not on your “list” then why did you attack him? Amusement? Na, that would be sadistic. I think an apology is in order Frankie boy. Now go tell Al that you’re sorry for your admitted unjustified little game of amusement.

Let me help you, start out like this.

Frank N Stein wrote: I realize that I performed a great disservice to the sick people here and the board operators by amusing myself with you intermittently……...

You can finish the rest.



All I want to know is who did you piss off to get assigned to this project? :lol: They don’t like you very much do they?


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Postby London » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:46 pm

OKAY I must get off line now but I wanted to leave you with this...incase it happens to you.....don;t freak! Know it's all done by computers and those damn graphic artist and even the Texas Higher Educ Agency......oh hell yeah, they are behind this......

and shout-out to Kevin Kruntz and his cheap-arse "green" save the world green energy.....(I believe Kevin was the spearhead behind the CDC's new Building) he works for McCarthy Building Co. and I believe he was bidding on building something in the Dallas School District in 2001 when our bond issue passed. What was it Kevin....the Bragg Fibers???
AT&T pay you off? Bell Labs???? Boy, are they gonna pay! Well, for me it's simple. Let me out of your stupid inhumane study!!!! I will go away and will never touch the internet again! Fair deal I'd say....unless you plan on bumping me off before hand, but then here we go back into Judge Judy's courtroom b/c your arse will be held accountable!!!! Me? Oh hell yeah I'm good for my word....why would I mess wellness up if I got the chance to have it back?????

I don''t want to live forever, go into space, clone myself, be a Neanderthall Man, be a cyborg, Nor even be a cyborg for a day even if we had super human powers......nor do I care to live inside the space of my computer, play virtual reality cyberpunk stuff, be a transhuman, nor go riding in your lil PNEUMATIC TUBES......

wELL, NEXT ON THE LIST TO DISCUSS ( THAT TIME WILL BE WHEN i GET MY VERY NEXT LESION) IS THE SEDIMENTS OFF THE COAST OF aUSTRALIZA, COAL, DIAMONDS AND TRAINS.....OH YEAH, FLY ASH AND URANIUM IF YA WANT TO DISCUSS THAT TOO......i WILL LEAVE THE WEATHER MANIPULATION OUT OF IT B/C FRANKLY IT BORES ME....

JUST GET THE GD LASORS OFF ME AND THAT WILL BE IT....NO MORE ME...WHAT A DEAL, hopefully you will think about it.

Well everyone else, be cool phules!!!

Oh Yes, here is that article but don;t let them scare you.....and like I said, cover all openings that lead into your home....any pipes, chimneys, etc...They dropped something metal down my vent pipes above my bathroom two weeks ago. ( I happened to be standing right there when it occurred)

Lastly: GO SAINTS!!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT.....YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AFTER SURVIVING THE WORLDS LARGEST AND HARSHEST MAN-MADE HURRICANE......
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Voices of the dead: Transmission/translation/transgression


Anthony Enns

Abstract:


The history of spiritualist sound experiments – from nineteenth-century ‘trumpet manifestations’ to contemporary ‘electronic voice phenomena’ – represents a sustained engagement with electrical noise and its psychic, linguistic, and media-technological implications. While the study of noise generally focuses on music and cinema sound, in which its transgressive nature is often recuperated back into artistic production, spiritualist efforts to record so-called transmissions from the dead illustrate the ways in which noise resists conscious mediation or artistic representation. A closer study of their methods and practices shows that the real, physical-acoustic nature of voice phenomena even resists the spiritualists' own attempts to translate and interpret these noises as coherent ‘messages’. Through an examination of the history of spiritualist sound experimentation in the Nineteenth Century and its continued practice following the development of the radio and tape recorder in the Twentieth Century, this paper argues that the spiritualists' enduring fascination with noise exposes the connections between sound technologies, psychic phenomena and schizophrenic hallucinations which pose a threat to the autonomy and integrity of the listening and speaking subject.

THE REASON I CHOSE THAT ARTICLE IS BECAUSE RUMOR HAS IT THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE RE-ENACTING "THE HUNTED" WITH THESE POOR INDIVIDUALS.....I DON;T KNOW IF IT'S OUR OWN GOV';T LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT OR IF THEY PERHAPS TRADED US TO jAPAN CHEMISTRY BOYS FOR SOME DEAL THEY STRUCK UP!!! I'M DEAD SEIOUS TO. LOOK UP THE HUNTED WHY DON;T YOU....





We Know who bought or took over Convair......"Home of the Spartan Engineering" no doubt!
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Postby tamtam » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:53 pm

For detectives and Mrs. London, its free!


The Lost Promise of Patriotism: Debating American Identity, 1890-1920 

By Jonathan M Hansen


During the years leading up to World War I, America experienced a crisis of civic identity. How could a country founded on liberal principles and composed of increasingly diverse cultures unite to safeguard individuals and promote social justice? In this book, Jonathan Hansen tells the story of a group of American intellectuals who believed the solution to this crisis lay in rethinking the meaning of liberalism.Intellectuals such as William James, John Dewey, Jane Addams, Eugene V. Debs, and W. E. B. Du Bois repudiated liberalism's association with acquisitive individualism and laissez-faire economics, advocating a model of liberal citizenship whose virtues and commitments amount to what Hansen calls cosmopolitan patriotism. Rooted not in war but in dedication to social equity, cosmopolitan patriotism favored the fight against sexism, racism, and political corruption in the United States over battles against foreign foes. Its adherents held the domestic and foreign policy of the United States to its own democratic ideals and maintained that promoting democracy universally constituted the ultimate form of self-defense. Perhaps most important, the cosmopolitan patriots regarded critical engagement with one's country as the essence of patriotism, thereby justifying scrutiny of American militarism in wartime.

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0 ... mMkxbH2SsC
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Postby Sabrina » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:08 pm

London wrote:OKAY I must get off line now but I wanted to leave you with this...incase it happens to you.....don;t freak! Know it's all done by computers and those damn graphic artist and even the Texas Higher Educ Agency......oh hell yeah, they are behind this......

and shout-out to Kevin Kruntz and his cheap-arse "green" save the world green energy.....(I believe Kevin was the spearhead behind the CDC's new Building) he works for McCarthy Building Co. and I believe he was bidding on building something in the Dallas School District in 2001 when our bond issue passed. What was it Kevin....the Bragg Fibers???
AT&T pay you off? Bell Labs???? Boy, are they gonna pay! Well, for me it's simple. Let me out of your stupid inhumane study!!!! I will go away and will never touch the internet again! Fair deal I'd say....unless you plan on bumping me off before hand, but then here we go back into Judge Judy's courtroom b/c your arse will be held accountable!!!! Me? Oh hell yeah I'm good for my word....why would I mess wellness up if I got the chance to have it back?????

I don''t want to live forever, go into space, clone myself, be a Neanderthall Man, be a cyborg, Nor even be a cyborg for a day even if we had super human powers......nor do I care to live inside the space of my computer, play virtual reality cyberpunk stuff, be a transhuman, nor go riding in your lil PNEUMATIC TUBES......

wELL, NEXT ON THE LIST TO DISCUSS ( THAT TIME WILL BE WHEN i GET MY VERY NEXT LESION) IS THE SEDIMENTS OFF THE COAST OF aUSTRALIZA, COAL, DIAMONDS AND TRAINS.....OH YEAH, FLY ASH AND URANIUM IF YA WANT TO DISCUSS THAT TOO......i WILL LEAVE THE WEATHER MANIPULATION OUT OF IT B/C FRANKLY IT BORES ME....

JUST GET THE GD LASORS OFF ME AND THAT WILL BE IT....NO MORE ME...WHAT A DEAL, hopefully you will think about it.

Well everyone else, be cool phules!!!

Oh Yes, here is that article but don;t let them scare you.....and like I said, cover all openings that lead into your home....any pipes, chimneys, etc...They dropped something metal down my vent pipes above my bathroom two weeks ago. ( I happened to be standing right there when it occurred)

Lastly: GO SAINTS!!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT.....YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AFTER SURVIVING THE WORLDS LARGEST AND HARSHEST MAN-MADE HURRICANE......
_______________________________

Voices of the dead: Transmission/translation/transgression


Anthony Enns

Abstract:


The history of spiritualist sound experiments – from nineteenth-century ‘trumpet manifestations’ to contemporary ‘electronic voice phenomena’ – represents a sustained engagement with electrical noise and its psychic, linguistic, and media-technological implications. While the study of noise generally focuses on music and cinema sound, in which its transgressive nature is often recuperated back into artistic production, spiritualist efforts to record so-called transmissions from the dead illustrate the ways in which noise resists conscious mediation or artistic representation. A closer study of their methods and practices shows that the real, physical-acoustic nature of voice phenomena even resists the spiritualists' own attempts to translate and interpret these noises as coherent ‘messages’. Through an examination of the history of spiritualist sound experimentation in the Nineteenth Century and its continued practice following the development of the radio and tape recorder in the Twentieth Century, this paper argues that the spiritualists' enduring fascination with noise exposes the connections between sound technologies, psychic phenomena and schizophrenic hallucinations which pose a threat to the autonomy and integrity of the listening and speaking subject.

THE REASON I CHOSE THAT ARTICLE IS BECAUSE RUMOR HAS IT THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE RE-ENACTING "THE HUNTED" WITH THESE POOR INDIVIDUALS.....I DON;T KNOW IF IT'S OUR OWN GOV';T LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT OR IF THEY PERHAPS TRADED US TO jAPAN CHEMISTRY BOYS FOR SOME DEAL THEY STRUCK UP!!! I'M DEAD SEIOUS TO. LOOK UP THE HUNTED WHY DON;T YOU....





We Know who bought or took over Convair......"Home of the Spartan Engineering" no doubt!
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Postby standby » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:10 pm

Sabrina,

I stand firm wth my original statements. 'There is a reason and a method to the madness' so to speak.

Frank clearly has 'something' invested in his method and focus for advocacy. The reasons for that are obvious to me as is Randy's presence here.
This site appears to be her last chance to achieve the goals she has set for herself. Unfortunately, 'constructive critisism' in her favor has been ignored, twisted and thrown back in the faces of those who so desperately need help, quidance and someone they can trust.
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I don't care London. Do it or shut up.

Postby Sabrina » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:16 pm

Sabrina wrote:
tamtam wrote:Important articles:

In the second part, it is back to molecules and Mendoza & Silva's timely and informal accounts of the role of DNA analysis in the effective identification and classification or reclassification of the unculturable ‘fungi’ Lacazia loboi and Rhinosporidium seeberi. After Pneumocystis carinii came into the fungal fold, R. seeberi went out and Lobo loboi received a new name, perhaps a case of lost one, won one and drew one!

http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/55/1/133
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" The most conspicuous internal structures of the endospore of Rhinosporidium seeberi are the 10–16 spherical, 1.0–1.5- µ m bodies that have been termed electron-dense bodies (EDB) or lipid bodies (LB); some authors have regarded them as nutritive stores of lipid or protein while others have regarded them as DNA-containing, ultimate generative units of R. seeberi "

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/t ... 3/art00008

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Evidence for recombination in the microcystin synthetase (mcy) genes of toxic cyanobacteria Microcystis spp.
Yuuhiko Tanabe, Kunimitsu Kaya, Makoto M Watanabe

"Here we provide strong evidence for recombination in the microcystin synthetase (mcy) gene cluster of the toxic cyanobacteria Microcystis spp."

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:15461420
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"this indicates that the cyanobacterial transcription and translation signals are recognized by E. coli"

http://www.springerlink.com/index/T4067322235L1N71.pdf - Similar pages
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"The deduced amino acid sequence from ORF j (3,114 bp) was significantly similar to that of a putative plasmid replication protein, RepA, from plasmid pUH24 of Synechococcus sp"

http://www.springerlink.com/content/r8r6b6f3ydjhj46j/

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"The characterization of pMa025, a plasmid isolated from the unicellular, toxin-producing cyanobacterium Microcystis aeruginosa UV025, is described"

"Release of Extracellular Transformable Plasmid DNA from Escherichia coli Cocultivated with Algae"

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... &tools=bot

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Perhaps the most significant finding revealed by the DNA data was the recent report of host specific strains in the genus
R h i n o s p o r i d i u m.

This study suggested that R. seeberi is not a monotypic genus but constituted of
multiple strains (species?) closely related to their hosts....

http://www.reviberoammicol.com/2005-22/213216.pdf
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"Why did previous investigators not find well-defined mitochondria? I am convinced that these mitochondria are from human cells"

We have isolated a prokaryotic cyanobacterium, a Microcystis ... regulation and molecular aspects of muscle, liver, pancreas, connective tissue ...
jcm.asm.org/cgi/reprint/39/1/413.pdf - Similar pages
Karvita B. Ahluwalia

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/full/39/1/413

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"The diagnosis of these rare infections is based largely on detection of characteristic structures observed on histopathologic examination of tissue"

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1081399

in relation to the eye:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... &tools=bot
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"including those that are novel or uncultivated"

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/414723_2

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RECREATIONAL EXPOSURE TO FRESHWATER CYANOBACTERIA: EPIDEMIOLOGY, DERMAL TOXICITY AND BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY OF
CYANOBACTERIAL LIPOPOLYSACCHARIDES

IAN STEWART

http://eprint.uq.edu.au/archive/0000188 ... _mar06.pdf

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1513208
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Again I like to advise that it is important that people unite, create a legal base and seek litigation.

In support of a solution:

Filament production by strain CBL001

Problem with streaming? Move cursor of video player!

Cell make up:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... rbug&hl=en

Series exclusive video footage via google video / open source / reference: 000/ 001/ 002/ 004/ 005/ 006 /007
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=s ... rbug&hl=en

Sincerely,

tamtam


Thanks for the links Tam.


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Postby Frank N Stein » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:28 pm

To the "Tam Enterprise" as Tam Tam has referred to it when he threatened that they would "take care of me.":

I will no longer engage you in debate regarding whether or not the "Tam Enterprise" is engaged in legitimate activity here. During the course of this debate you have completely failed to provide any logical explanation to Tam's thesis which is presented both here and on his commercial web site.

My intent at this point is simply to report my suspicion of fraudulent activity to Officers of the US Justice Department so that they may investigate this matter further. My reason for this is much the same as the reason why I support Randy's organization. Simply put, professionals who are trained to serve in their specific fields are much better qualified to resolve such maters as identification of unknown diseases, and fraud.

You have nothing to fear if you are indeed a legitimate microbiologist who has indeed found that we are infected with a bacterium which forms intelligent proteins within our bodies, which in turn is forming insects within us. Should this claim be proven true, then any commercial activity or motive for posting such claims will be counted as legitimate, the US Department of Justice will hold your trade secrets as confidential, and you will suffer harm in no way.

However, should you indeed be engaged in criminal fraudulent activity, you may expect to be prosecuted as criminals who prey upon the sick. If you are operating a disinformation campaign to conceal the truth regarding this unknown disease, your identity will be revealed by public record of the investigation.

I have nothing to lose or fear either by reporting a suspicion of illegal activity. A person is not held civilly liable for reporting a suspicion of illegal activity to law enforcement. Whether you are found to be criminals, disinformants, or legitimate researchers, a resolution to this matter benefits the entire morgellons community, especially those who have believed your claims.

Let the light of truth shine where it may.
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Postby standby » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:36 pm

Frank N Stein wrote:
Let the light of truth shine where it may.


So be it. Therefore the half truths therein will cast shadow apon you.
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