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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:50 pm

Sarah,

Most people who go into psychology, do need psychological help themselves. In fact, it is recommended.

Nettimo,
Yes, I see them everywhere, I cannot walk into the mall and I start itching. I see fibers floating everywhere and smell glue. The mall floor is carpeted.

Certain towns, I go into I itch when I am outside.
Many farms surrounding these areas, factory farms.

Sabrina,
Thank you for the second letter. I do believe that this firm is quite sufficient for what we need.

If you all can get into LB, I suggest you look at Spec's pictures. They can show some comparisons of some of the worms we looked at and in pictures on other sites.
These C. Pulmoni, have a filarial stage, that to me is the lighter, floating fibers, that have either died or where carried to us by nanofibers.
Now, if you can determine if the fibers you find burn or not, the ones floating or around your toilets, that means we are expelling them, either off our skin, or in faeces, or urine. However, that may not be the source, it may be in the air, and is in other places besides bathrooms.
If they do not burn, then prions or anthrax or the fibers that are constructed to not burn at high temperatures, constructed by many nano companies, could be the catalyst. I still hold to this because something is vectoring it to us, and not necessarily by gnats. In one study I found worms are being injected into gnats and released on farmland to kill insects.
I did find other worms than the ones we know of.
Below is a look at some, it is put in a powdery element.

Clay formulation of nematodes:
http://www2.oardc.ohio-state.edu/nemato ... allery.htm

I believe what is being called Sustainable by UN and in this country is the same in Organic, Natural and GM insecticides. No difference. Genetic is used. Truly organic does not need to use any, and I mean any type of modified insect carrying worms.
These may kill the insect but remain alive to be on plant. Herein is the problem. If any modified or altered plant, bug using bacteria worms and any other inserted into the gene type transferons, then nature has been modified. And, most of us can figure this out. We are not idiots.

Nature can take it course, but, many cannot accept that. Nature does what it does for a reason, but most genetic altering folks, cannot see that. It is very simple, but, they cannot see simple.

The same with the MIC, cannot look and find ways to defend, but, do find ways to control. Genetic alteration is the best way to control, whether it be what we eat, what products we use, what medicines we take, because it seems we are being considered for one with nature, in other words, humans have brains, and yet our physical bodies are being controlled, either by high-risk nanotechnology for a global warming, that has happened before, or the very nature of making it happen, and the controls put on the very nature we take for granted, not to love and nourish, but to exploit, change and control.

http://nematode.unl.edu/wormepns.htm

"SARE Provides Grants and Information to Improve Profitability, Stewardship and Quality of Life"

Notice does not say quantity of life, but QUALITY.
http://www.uvm.edu/~nesare/index.html

UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL:
http://kbn.ifas.ufl.edu/rhabdi/rhabmain.htm

When worms are used on foods to kill insects, that can be coerced into leaving plants, by planting something they do not eat near the food plant, one can solve the problem easily, and one does not have to kill crickets, crickets will go elsewhere, and with all the land that the Interior Department, DNR, and other departments are confisicating, there will be plenty of room for the crickets in those areas.

Meanwhile, man suffers from high risk, high yield, high stakes, that are creating more problems, but, the money rolls in, and that is the bottom line.

My question is, what do these people eat?

Like Bill Clinton says, "It is time for thinking, now"

In a hearing yesterday, I heard the CDC, The World Vision, the UN's Int'l food representative,
the Children's fund, going at it again. All want a piece of the Millenium Foundation money.

I see the NIH and the CDC all have a foundation right along side the Department. So, govt money is not enough, we are asked to donate to the foundation, plus those with the money can direct where that foundation money goes.

What a racket, and it was Sarbane's who asked whether the children are being fed. And in some cases, one can see where the firms that protect govt officials are heavily involved, in some countries where it is difficult for Food Relief to get in.

Here is where private monies are used in collaboration with govt monies.

Now, the real question is why the NIH is crossing disciplines into all other areas of academic collaboration, and I did look at HR 6164, which tells us that Energy Dept and the NSF are hook line and sinker with the NIH. Now, when did the NIH become our scientific answer to all things? And, they do have most of the Federal Science and medical monies. Yet, all the National Institutes all around the world are under their control.

Just some info.

I think when the USDA, FDA, and NIH, CDC and the UN all see this as global, and cannot see the damage done to their own people, because of the belief they need to rescue those in foreign countries, rather than teaching them how to produce their own food, then one can see there are ulterior motives, with the global concern as a cover.

When will the govt get it, Africa in some areas is getting it. And, they have taken back what is theirs.
And they are succeeding. It is out there, if one just looks.

Of course, the real good starts small, but, there is always hope.

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Postby reliefseeker » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:07 pm

HELLO ALL, last night at work was an incredibly hard night...I almost walked out on my job...those parasites that "reside" in my ankles-that doctors are calling edema-launched an all out war on me...they came out and bit me to death. I went in the bathroom, washed my feet and legs, sprayed them with lemongrass and tea tree oil, and literally cried my asse off. People are beginning to notice how often I go to the bathroom, I lie and say that my ankles swell and they thinK I have to put on "liniment" all the time. These parasites adapt to all products used against them, and the more eggs I destroy much more is produced. Dr. Gerberding at CDC was supposed to grant me an interview but I see now that it was all a lie...besides I cannot get these parasites to "perform" like circus animals. They don' t come out when I want them, then doctors are like "there is nothing in your legs and feet...I want to sue somebody for my condition, living like this is not only demeaning but so very time consuming...sleepy now...take care
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Postby gwentass » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:09 pm

Foxy Lady wrote:I see Sarah saying to Sabrina:

"That is a very passionate expression. What on earth makes you think I study "morgellons"? Or that I am in any position to do anything about it? I touched hundreds of samples of "morgellons" over the past year, and have yet to see a single "symptom." "

Well sorry, Sarah - nobody sees symptoms. Signs are what a professional sees. Symptoms are what a patient describes.

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I think Sarah's point was that she hasn't seen, aka noticed, any symptoms in herself, as a patient.
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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:14 pm

I think a look see on where the science originates can be found here.

http://www.nematodes.org/
http://www.nematodes.org/barcoding/index.shtml
http://www.nerc-molgen.org/
http://www.nematodes.org/fgn/index.shtml
http://nemhelix.cap.ed.ac.uk/mpl/zoolog ... tidae.html
http://nemhelix.cap.ed.ac.uk/mpl/zoolog ... Page1.html
http://nemhelix.cap.ed.ac.uk/mpl/Natura ... fauna.html

One must remember this is Evolutionary Development, which means it is created by man.

One must get this concept. It shows morphology, what is generally and truthfully in natural species mere development.

Seems the Evo Devos get development and morphology mixed up, but that serves their purpose.

Barcodes on worms?.........

What will prevent Barcodes on Humans?

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Postby gwentass » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:54 pm

First, I want to make clear that I understand what suffering from something that no one will acknowledge is like. I am 32, and I was (FINALLY) diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of high-functioning autism, in the mid- to late-1990’s. Either as side-effect or as additional problems, and the problems that were first noticed, I have clinical major depression and Attention Deficit Disorder.

For the first 20 plus years of my life, I knew something was different about me, that I wasn’t the same as other people. All the doctors and my parents could see was that I was quite intelligent, shy, and a little weird. They couldn’t understand why I would have problems in school, or in dealing with other kids. Finally, in the 1990’s, Asperger’s Syndrome became widely recognized, and I had an explanation for why and how I was different, instead of being called ‘lazy’ or ‘unsocial’.
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That being said, there are a few things I wanted to comment on in some of the posts I’ve read over the past day.

From post on Tue 26 Sept 2006 10:07 pm, by Skytroll
...So, I see that the NIH sets up disease or parasitic infection and then the CDC controlled by the CIA is supposed to put alerts out that a parasitic enemic is forthcoming and the Pharmaceutical companies already have the antidote. WOW what a way to go....

So “They” are all working together in a huge conspiracy?

From post on Tue 26 Sept 2006 10:14 pm, by Skytroll
Your Gatarade may just have worm eggs in it.
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/Tim ... 29930.html

If this comment was meant as an attempt at a joke, it is kinda funny. If it was meant seriously...

From post on Tue 26 Sept 2006 10:16 pm, by Skytroll
NIH rules the CDC. NIH lies to us. NIH does not give a "hooey" about our health. Only dumb ideas, that have no merit.

In the sense that bureaucracy is very frustrating, I can agree with this. And I know that there are times when ‘the government’ lies for one reason or another. In the sense that the NIH actually does ‘rule’ the CDC, or that they don’t care about our health, only ‘dumb ideas, that have no merit’, I’m having a little difficulty letting myself be that paranoid. Which ideas? Why do they have no merit? Is that just your opinion, that the ideas are dumb? Or a way of expressing your frustration with the NIH?

From post on Tue 26 Sept 2006 11:46 pm, by nettimo
Now another sister confesses she is itching. We all work at the same hospital..........................

I’m not in any way a doctor. And it is possible the hospital you work at has something to do with these symptoms you and your siblings are experiencing. Is it also possible that your family is just more sensitive to certain things (genetic predisposition, like allergies)?

Just a word about transmission of this disease. I have strong reason to suspect that it can be communicated via public restrooms. (Also likely an STD like trich.)

IF (and I emphasize if) it is transmitted by these fibers, or by worms, or whatever. Has that been proven anywhere?

I have observed pairs of barely visible fibers, such as I observed in the onset of my awareness of fiber disease.(coming from my nose), on any and every toilet/bathroom I have cared to examine.

It is entirely possible that you have. See, there’s this thing called dust, and airborne ‘pollutants’, that come from various places, like our skin cells flaking off (a purely natural process) and tiny fibers from clothing, carpet, etc. being loosened from their source and sent into the air by contact friction. (I apologize if this response seems patronizing – that is NOT my intent).

From post on Wed 27 Sept 2006 4:50 pm, by Skytroll
Nettimo,
Yes, I see them everywhere, I cannot walk into the mall and I start itching. I see fibers floating everywhere and smell glue. The mall floor is carpeted.

And I mentioned the concept of dust just now. Not that I think that you itching when you enter the mall is imaginary – if the mall is carpeted, it would make sense that there are fibers from it floating around in the air. Your skin may be very sensitive to the presence of those fibers. The human mind is very.... interesting, at times, though. It might be that your mind is somehow associating the visual recognition of the fibers with the itching you have previously felt.

As a personal example from my experience having Asperger’s Syndrome, sometimes if someone brushes against me, I feel like brushing off the area they just contacted and wiping my hand off on a nearby ‘neutral’ object. It’s almost like when kids talk about ‘cooties’ – the place where I was touched was ‘contaminated’, and I feel like I have to ‘clean’ off the contamination. I don’t know if my comparison will make sense to you, though.

...If they do not burn, then prions or anthrax or the fibers that are constructed to not burn at high temperatures, constructed by many nano companies, could be the catalyst. I still hold to this because something is vectoring it to us, and not necessarily by gnats....

Yup. It’s the nanites. “They” make them just to get to us and infect us with diseases that they miraculously have the cure for. (apologies for any sarcasm)

The same with the MIC, cannot look and find ways to defend, but, do find ways to control. Genetic alteration is the best way to control, whether it be what we eat, what products we use, what medicines we take, because it seems we are being considered for one with nature, in other words, humans have brains, and yet our physical bodies are being controlled, either by high-risk nanotechnology for a global warming, that has happened before, or the very nature of making it happen, and the controls put on the very nature we take for granted, not to love and nourish, but to exploit, change and control.

Oh yeah, and they use the nanites to control us, how we think and what we do. (again, apologies for any sarcasm)

SARE Provides Grants and Information to Improve Profitability, Stewardship and Quality of Life

Notice does not say quantity of life, but QUALITY.

Is there something wrong with using “quality” instead of “quantity”? (honestly confused here about what you meant)

with all the land that the Interior Department, DNR, and other departments are confisicating

I must’ve missed this confiscation scheme, because I haven’t heard anything about it.

In a hearing yesterday, I heard the CDC, The World Vision, the UN's Int'l food representative, the Children's fund, going at it again. All want a piece of the Millenium Foundation money.

I see the NIH and the CDC all have a foundation right along side the Department. So, govt money is not enough, we are asked to donate to the foundation, plus those with the money can direct where that foundation money goes.

What a racket, and it was Sarbane's who asked whether the children are being fed. And in some cases, one can see where the firms that protect govt officials are heavily involved, in some countries where it is difficult for Food Relief to get in.

So, it’s not just the US government that’s involved in the conspiracy – it’s all the governments of the world. And setting up a way for people who want to help to be able to help is part of the conspiracy.

Now, the real question is why the NIH is crossing disciplines into all other areas of academic collaboration, and I did look at HR 6164, which tells us that Energy Dept and the NSF are hook line and sinker with the NIH.

Well.... last time I checked, there are a LOT of things that affect our health. In fact, in the Anatomy and Physiology class I am currently taking, we’ve learned how the human body manages to maintain a VERY delicate balance. Just a slight alteration one way or another can throw the whole body out of whack. I don’t see why the NIH getting involved in dealing with the Energy Dept. is a bad thing. Did anyone else see the movie “The Distinguished Gentleman”, starring Eddie Murphy? They talk about high-voltage power lines causing cancer and other ailments in those that live nearby. This isn’t just a ‘movie idea’. I had a friend who grew up right near high-voltage lines, and he had cancer, going through various treatments while he was a teenager. Electromagnetic fields are just one of the things that could mess with the human body, thus the NIH’s involvement.

Now, when did the NIH become our scientific answer to all things? And, they do have most of the Federal Science and medical monies.

Maybe I haven’t been reading enough, but I haven’t heard anyone say that the NIH is The Scientific Answer To All Things. And, I admit, I haven’t taken a look at the federal budget to see where the science and medical funds go. If you know of somewhere that information is available, I’d appreciate the proof.

Yet, all the National Institutes all around the world are under their control.

Ahh... all the National Institutes in the world being under the NIH’s control... that’s right, “They” control everything.

From post on Wed 27 Sept 2006 5:07pm, by reliefseeker
Dr. Gerberding at CDC was supposed to grant me an interview but I see now that it was all a lie...

Could you possibly clarify how it was a lie? And if the interview hasn’t happened yet, my suggestion would be to keep bugging the guy, and anyone else you can at the CDC. Sometimes persistence is the only way to get through the bureaucratic doody.

Posted on Wed 27 Sept 2006 5:14pm, by Skytroll
Barcodes on worms?.........

What will prevent Barcodes on Humans?

Now this is a ‘paranoia’ concept I can sympathize with. I’ve read the book ‘1984’. I’ve read enough other sci-fi to be honestly concerned about the possibility that some idiot will get it into their heads to do something like putting barcodes on humans.

Posted on Wed 27 Sept 2006 5:35pm, by Skytroll

Yes.

I know, that doesn’t seem to answer your question well. However, I have learned enough science in my time and enough about statistics, probability, and ‘predictions’ from them to be very wary of anyone’s predictions of the future environment. Back in the 1970’s, there was talk about how the earth was cooling down, and we were entering another ice age. Now, it’s the opposite – the planet’s warming up, the polar ice caps are going to melt and destroy us all. Well, excuse me, but I sometimes think that anyone that comes up with these predictions has an agenda, and they only look for evidence that supports their theory/agenda. Ok, maybe that’s paranoia, but it’s been seen before in scientific and research areas.
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I'm not saying Morgellans is nonexistant. I can believe that those of you who have it honestly have at least SOMETHING wrong with your health, and that it is a disease that hasn't yet been widely recognized as existing. I guess I just want to pass on a lesson I have learned in my own life, while dealing with my 'illness' - be careful when you start thinking about conspiracies, secret deals, and other paranoid ideas. While they can (and do, at times) happen, it's also entirely possible that those you suspect are completely innocent of what you think they are doing.
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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:10 pm

Gwentass,

I would suggest you read HR 6164. This is the problem, no one reads these bills.

If there is no conspiracy, then, why are the reports from these agencies, not FULL public knowledge?

And, where are you coming from?

What is your agenda.

I have none.

I am reporting info that is buried because the govt. new reports do not include pertinent information that the people should know about.

Hidden agendas are everywhere.

Why? National Security? Or WTO and NWO actually forming a connection, now.

What is Nesting Doll Syndrome?

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Postby Skytroll » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:13 pm

Gwentass,

I would say genetics are involved when the other X, the recessed X is activated in females. Mutations have a way of interfering.

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Postby Barz » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:14 pm

Dear Gwentass

You need to go back to your hangout at mwatch with Ms. Dunn.


Thank you for your cooperation.

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Postby gwentass » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:20 pm

Barz wrote:Dear Gwentass

You need to go back to your hangout at mwatch with Ms. Dunn.


Thank you for your cooperation.

Barz


That made absolutely no sense. What's 'mwatch', and who is Ms. Dunn?

The only posts I've seen you make (a grand total of 2, as I haven't read through the 300+ pages under this topic) are insulting. However, I would hope you understand the concept of being civil in a discussion, and would be able to contribute in that manner - in fact, I hope you have, and that I just haven't read those posts.
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Postby Barz » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:26 pm

Sarah, I mean gwentass, Why do you need so much info from people? Whats your point? Why again did you come here? Oh, yeah, it is your HOBBIE. You are trying to f with us? Listen, We are here because the symptoms that most of us seem to possess could not be identified by a doctor. When we looked up the symptoms which we had, we all ended up at the same place. BECAUSE THERE ARE RED< BLUE< BLACK< AND CLEAR FIBERS IN OUR SKIN> please show me where in history or in your great phd bs course, balls of fibers coming OUT of the dermis is a symptom of ANYTHING. Then I will shut up.
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Postby gwentass » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:38 pm

Barz wrote:Sarah, I mean gwentass, Why do you need so much info from people? Whats your point? Why again did you come here? Oh, yeah, it is your HOBBIE. You are trying to f with us? Listen, We are here because the symptoms that most of us seem to possess could not be identified by a doctor. When we looked up the symptoms which we had, we all ended up at the same place. BECAUSE THERE ARE RED< BLUE< BLACK< AND CLEAR FIBERS IN OUR SKIN> please show me where in history or in your great phd bs course, balls of fibers coming OUT of the dermis is a symptom of ANYTHING. Then I will shut up.


I am not Sarah. Stop calling me that. Stop thinking I'm her - I'm not. I don't have a PhD. I never claimed to.

I never said your symptoms aren't real. I never said what's happening to you is 'made-up'. In fact, I tried very hard to make it clear that Morgellans appears to be a disease that hasn't been publicly recognized, and that I have sympathy for those who suffer from it, as I was in a similar position for over 20 years, with a different illness.

Please, listen to this advice. It's something I have personally had to remind myself of. Before you reply, wait. For a couple minutes, hours, or however long it takes to calm down and be logical in your responses. Throwing insults around doesn't help anyone, unless your agenda is to irritate and anger someone. I would hope and assume that is not your purpose.

Since I am currently taking an Anatomy and Physiology course, I'm particularly aware of the various terms for the layers of the skin. Do you really mean 'dermis'? The topmost layer of the skin is the epidermis, not the dermis. If the fibers are coming from the dermis, that deep, that really is bad.
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