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Postby Nadas Moksha » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:09 pm

Listeria innocua: lin0516

lin0516 CDS L.innocua

Gene name capA
similar to Bacillus anthracis encapsulation protein CapA
KO KO: K07282 poly-gamma-glutamate synthesis protein (capsule
biosynthesis protein)
poly-gamma-glutamate synthesis protein (capsule biosynthesis
Class Unclassified; Cellular Processes and Signaling; Membrane and
intracellular structural molecules
Other DBs COG: COG2843

similar to flagellar hook-associated protein
peptidoglycan bound protein (LPXTG motif) s similar to iron-sulfur cofactor synthesis probable cell surface protein (LPXTG motif) similar to B. subtilis ferrichrome ABC tran
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Postby Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:40 pm


Yep. Throw in those Biolabs Gone Wild, and an excellent arguement insues between Intelligent Natural Design and Evolution.

Let's go for it. Natural is what is.
Biolabs create what isn't. Then put it in nature.
For wildness. And say, look it adapted and that is because of Natural selection.

But, what is is.

So, if one puts the flagella on the amoeba, well then this is not what is.

Bacteriophages that are constructed for cleanup of what? Some things ferment on their own.

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Postby Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:00 pm


quorum sensing and protein signalling between flagellated and non-flagellated. That is the event.

However the symbiont has created a new species. Now, will that adapt or will we shoot that one in the foot, before natural selection, which is still a theory, pulls it in, because of its environment?

bioweapons, biotech, degradation, bioremediation,
all altering the bio. Why not use what is. There are natural predator enemies of pests.

But, one has to know what is, before one can alter the unknowns of what is.

I would say the genoming of all things natural, but, not synthesizing it into something unnatural, would be a good thing. Use the genoming for knowing what causes disease and suffering, but, to alter for reasons of synthesis or genesis, is defeating the purpose of cleaning up the environment.

There has and always will be a manmade effort to prove that Intelligent Natural Design is not possible.
However, if this discussion had taken place years back, altered genetically modified natural organisms would never have been necessary.

It is all in the bacteria. Add quorum sensing, biofilm, and protein signalling and horizontal, lateral transfer, and you got yourself a creation.

Using what already is, for purposes of remediation,
and for medicine, in it's natural state, not in it's synthetic state needs to be learned.

We have been deceived, big time, by this new medical paradigm of bio/physics nano/bio constructed science. Now, what is wrong with natural, not the preconceived cladistical new name
constructs. One will not be able to tell the natural as it is, from the incorporated DNA that is creeping into the natural on the earth itself.

The Nash principle?

will read more on that.

Ooops forgot this:

Intelligent design in the late 20th century can be seen as a modern reframing of natural theology seeking to change the basis of science and undermine evolution theory. As evolutionary theory has expanded to explain more phenomena, the examples that are held up as evidence of design have changed. But the essential argument remains the same: complex systems imply a designer. In the past, examples that have been offered included the eye (optical system) and the feathered wing; current examples are mostly biochemical: protein functions, blood clotting, and bacteria flagella (see irreducible complexity).

Now, in that article it disses the ID folks, by saying that they need to be educated on filamentous bacteriophages (which are not in their natural states, but modified) and flagellated bacteria.

Now, ID folks are way ahead of that.
They know an alteration has taken place.
And so do we.

Bacteriophages contain viruses that can go right to the genes of bacteria.
Now, what it they were constructed wrong to hit the wrong gene or the JUNK DNA? There is not junk in the human body's DNA, IMO.

Some, in the American version, not the original Russian version actually did work. To Pasteurize it may have been a big error.

Hidden buried science that never saw the light of day. It pays to look at
history. Not all of us have been dumbed down.

We keep learning. Open minds, open books, open biology, open it all.

Open the books on the Investigators, what are they really investigating?

Wish one would come on here a discuss what they investigate.

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Postby tamtam » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:09 pm

Skytrol special

But Pseudomonas aeruginosa and two former Pseudomonas species (now reclassified as Burkholderia) are pathogens of humans. A general treatment of the ...
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Dennis Kunkel Microscopy, Inc Scientific Stock Photography : <i ...
Burkholderia pseudomallei (also known as Pseudomonas pseudomallei) - Gram-negative, aerobic, rod prokaryote. A zoonotic microorganism that causes ...
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Postby Nadas Moksha » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:12 pm

spot on Skytroll.. a few gramatical adjustments cant insure the lock on pandora... like a darwinian phase out with "directed evolution" and "climate change".... scary to put these things in perspective... one day this piece of jellyfish may shed its intended form in attempt to return to order.. but only to find a lawless ghetto in disarray... in time finding other lonely cast outs..... and with no section 8 for genes, damn what a "climate change" ... it would not surprise me if the human super ghetto for microbes were condemed to make room for homeless clouds of genes seeking gene theropy and not going the way of the "ape" to weaponize nature ..... although im sure the gene counsilor has a fetish for aeroboic hydrophobic cnindra and is packin an extra elastic limb that excrets an adhesive hybred of scorpion/cobra venom.


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Postby Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:36 pm

Thanks for the picture Tam Tam,

Mr. Kunkel mentions melioidosis.

Saw this:
Melioidosis is an infectious disease caused by a bacterium called "Pseudomonas pseudomallei."

Where does melioidosis occur?

Melioidosis is most frequently reported in Southeast Asia and Northern Australia. The bacteria that causes the disease is found in the soil, rice paddies, and stagnant waters of the area. People get the disease by inhaling dust contaminated by the bacteria and when the contaminated soil comes in contact with abraded (scaped) area of the skin.

How does melioidosis affect a patient?

Melioidosis most commonly involves the lungs where the infection can form a cavity of pus (abscess). It can spread from the skin through the blood to affect the heart, brain, liver, kidneys, joints, and eyes. Patients can have associated headaches, fever, chills, cough, chest pain, and/or loss of appetite


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Postby Nadas Moksha » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:40 pm


Department of Microbiology, Faculty of Science, Mahidol University, Bangkok 10400, Thailand.

Burkholderia pseudomallei, the causative agent of melioidosis, is a facultative intracellular gram-negative bacterium that is able to survive and multiply in macrophages. Previously, we reported that B. pseudomallei was able to escape macrophage killing by interfering with the expression of inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS). In the present study, we extended this finding and demonstrated that B. pseudomallei was able to activate the expression of suppressor of cytokine signaling 3 (SOCS3) and cytokine-inducible Src homology 2-containing protein (CIS) but not SOCS1 in a mouse macrophage cell line (RAW 264.7). The expression of SOCS3 and CIS in B. pseudomallei-infected macrophages directly correlated with a decreased gamma interferon (IFN-gamma) signaling response, as indicated by a reduction in Y701-STAT-1 phosphorylation (pY701-STAT-1). Moreover, a reduction in the expression of IFN-gamma-induced proteins, such as interferon regulatory factor 1 (IRF-1), was observed in B. pseudomallei-infected macrophages that were treated with IFN-gamma. Since pY701-STAT-1 and IRF-1 are essential transcription factors for regulating iNOS expression, the failure to activate these factors could also result in depression of iNOS expression and a loss of macrophage killing capacity. Taken together, the data indicate that the activation of SOCS3 and CIS expression in B. pseudomallei-infected macrophages interfered with IFN-gamma signaling, thus allowing the bacteria to escape killing by these phagocytic cells.

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Postby Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:55 pm


.....or a mouse with a human ear on its back......

Will have to digest those other links you have.

Trying to keep up, keep falling down......will understand that natural physics as well .....or unnatural......
sometime.....must keep my brain open.....


Still looking at those.........

Be back soon.

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Postby London » Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:59 pm


Hi, I have not finished reading all you guys post yet but wanted to comment to you....on your last post one page back, you asked /said
"they are not really flagella' what are they???

remember that word I said a while back called Pili (sp?) I think this may have something to do with it. Skytroll, focus your studies on the plasmas

b/c this is where they are hiding it....they don't want us to go there...no way, so that means....I am. I have, it's bad.....Plasmas??? :shock: is this the cause of all those wildfires out in cali? as they watch and smile via that lil satellite that I paid for...????they are really making me sick and I can't wait to get even. Look at the solar cells.....this is where they are using the weapons.....PLASMAS!!!

well dammit, I'm really pissed right now....Why London? ahh, well, I used to write to this poster on lymebusters named Allison. She was living in Asia or Africa somewhere....anyway, I remember sharing quite a few post with her and also Carrie would write to her too. She had multiple worms in her and scared the pants off of us.

Guess what? she's a lying piece of dog do and she's busted: Look:

Emerging and Re-Emerging Viruses: An Essay
Alison Jacobson, University of Capetown. This was on the CDC's Resource Links page AND also here:


Thanks for your sincere care Allison, Maybe they will make me a voodoo doll of you...
Also, I just found out that they sell biocontrol air filters and that is just what I had bought last summer when those damn glass fibers penetrated my skin....I could see them flying thru the air and spiraling down at me...I remember distinctly buying two of them and it cost like 12 or 14 dollars....but/....I did not know they were bio filters! lAWSUIT #2!!!

look at this!
NanoCeramTM Nanoalumina Fiber —

Dr. David Ginley, Tanya Rivkin, Dr. Calvin Curtis, Alexander Miedaner, and Kim Jones, National Renewable Energy Laboratory; Fred Tepper and Leonid Kaledin, Argonide Corporation; Dr. Marat I. Lerner, Design Technology Center, Russian Academy of Sciences

The advent of the NanoCeram nanoalumina fiber represents a breakthrough in filtration technology. NanoCeram fibers are alumina ceramic fibers about 2 nanometers in diameter and 50 to hundreds of nanometers long. NanoCeram fibers have a far higher aspect ratio (ratio of radius to length) and a far greater surface area (up to 600 m2/gm) than any other available fiber. These properties, along with the tendency to become basic in appropriate pH solution, makes the fibers ideal for bioactive filtration, chemisorption of heavy metals, and bone tissue engineering.

As a bioactive filter, NanoCeram fibers can eliminate 99.99999% of many viruses, bacteria, and microbial pathogens in a single pass while retaining high flow rates of fluid through the filter. The pathogens that NanoCeram can be used to eliminate include (but are not limited to) hepatitis A, retroviruses, adenoviruses, coxsackie, Salmonella, Shigella dysenteriae, E. coli 0157:H7, Vibrio cholerae, B. anthracis, and Cryptosporidium parvum. Three characteristics make the fibers ideal for bioactive filtration:

Chemisorption. In the pH range in which the fibers are used as a filter, viruses and bacteria tend to be negatively charged (acidic) while the fibers tend to be positively charged (basic). Thus, in close proximity, fibers and pathogens form chemical bonds, which filters pathogens from the stream. Plus, the large fiber surface area provides numerous sites at which pathogens can bond.
Physisorption. Pathogens and fibers also experience physical attraction for each other via Van der Waals forces — attractive forces that exist between particles at very close range.
Mechanical Trapping. The fibers act as a depth filter with random-size pores. As pathogens pass through the filter, they become enmeshed in the tangle of pores.
:shock: :twisted: :shock:
A thin bed of NanoCeram can remove more than 99.99% of heavy metals from water with a single pass through the filter, and reduce the metal in the effluent to parts per billion. Because of the large external surface area, NanoCeram has rapid sorption kinetics, enabling the material to adsorb a large amount of dissolved heavy metals in a short period of time.

For bone tissue engineering, NanoCeram provides a strong fibrous material, molding a scaffolding to which bone-forming osteoblast cells can adhere and build. Trials indicate that NanoCeram fibers promote the bonding and growth of osteoblast cells better than other materials, including hydroxyapatite — the calcium containing mineral that, with the protein collagen (the fibrous part of tendons and ligaments), forms the bone material.

Besides these applications, NanoCeram also has other potential uses, including catalyst support, biosynthesis substrate, protein separation, blood plasma purification, filtration of vents and exhaust, and filtration of high-purity chemicals.
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Postby Skytroll » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:05 pm


In response to the article from our friend Alison, well, I do say, there is some information that bleeds out in bits and pieces.
"Most species of RNA viruses actually consist of a population of genomes showing considerable variation around a master sequence (Domingo et al. 1988). The population concept is important, as in experimental systems, defective members of the genomic population can play a significant role in viral expression."

I just wonder what that master sequence might be.

Complacency and this was said in 1993.
However, complacency still seems to exist.
"To quote Donald A. Henderson of the U.S. Office of Science and Technology Policy:
"The recent emergence of AIDS and Dengue hemorrhagic infections, among others, are serving usefully to disturb our ill-founded complacency about infectious diseases. Such complacency has prevailed in this country (USA) throughout much of my career...It is evident now, as it should have been then, that mutation and change are facts of nature, that the world is increasingly interdependent, and that human health and survival will be challenged, ad infinitum, by new mutant microbes, with unpredictable pathophysiological manifestations...How are we to detect these at an early date so as to be able to devise appropriate preventative and therapeutic modalities? What do we look for? What types of surveillance and reporting systems can one devise?" (Morse 1993)."

more here beyond the one article:

On the other, there are filters now?
So, wonder if the Russians will sell any to America?
I want one of those filters that can stop viruses, considering that they are so small. And this by postive or negative charge. mmmmmmm

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Postby London » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:37 pm

ohhhhh, excellent skygod! Was too tired to even read it then,,,,just knew her name from s.busters!! But what do they want to use as the vector of
curbing us unfit and can't get it together for adaptive immunity????

well, they cheat, those sobs! They are going and have, I might add to use: Synthetic Insects with a designer bactera and what else?

The viruses in their transgenic plants....I'm telling you.....the peas (pea aphid) is bad....those legumes.....and especially the tomatoe

and of course my favorite, the tobacco plant.....

Do not be led astray by the lies that spew out of our CDC's mouth.....for I did find it.....yep, they have it listed....the sand fleas causing the tunigrass.....yep, said its been posted since 2003 (cough cough) this is just another BS bedtime story from them.....b/c why?

B/C it is the parasitoid wasp and honey bee that is causing all of this mess.

Dammit, why won't anyone listen to me and heed the message? It also
is what is causing alll of the plant viruses.....(are a helluva lot of them.)

Dunno why Doc Wymore has not announced this yet....for he has a plethora of articles on this....

Here skytroll:


Virus-resistant transgenic plants (VRTPs) hold the promise of enormous benefit for agriculture. However, over the past ten years, questions concerning the potential ecological impact of VRTPs have been raised. In some cases, detailed study of the mode of action of the resistance gene has made it possible to eliminate the source of potential risk, notably the possible effects of heterologous encapsidation on the transmission of viruses by their vectors. In other cases, the means of eliminating likely sources of risk have not yet been developed. When such residual risk still exists, the potential risks associated with the VRTP must be compared with those associated with nontransgenic plants so that risk assessment can fully play its role as part of an overall analysis of the advantages and disadvantages of practicable solutions to the problem solved by the VRTP.

or, better yet.....(Hey by the way....I have some real good stuff on the what???????

ON the BEE/ WASP MITE!!!!!! but to fullfill their wishes to curb their population , here is a sample of titles for their techniques.....

EMERGING & RE-EMERGING VIRUSESThe population concept is important, as in experimental systems, defective members of the genomic population can play a significant role in viral expression ...www.tulane.edu/~dmsander/WWW/335/Emerging1.html - 53k - Cached - Similar pages

genome.gov | NHGRI's Vision for the Future of Genomic ResearchEstablishing a catalogue of all common variants in the human population, ... where both human and non-human genomics will play significant roles. ...www.genome.gov/11007524 - 99k - Cached - Similar pages

Nat' Academies Press, Variation and Evolution in Plants and ...Such multiple formations may play a significant role in shaping the genetic ... genetic comparisons to population genetics, with important implications for ...
.nap.edu/books/0309070996/html/310.html - 99k - Aug 27, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages

Nat' Academies Press, Cancer and the Environment: Gene-Environment ...In addition, knockout and transgenic animals can provide important clues about ... The idea that genomic instability might play a role in cancer is also an ...
newton.nap.edu/books/030908475X/html/25.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

RISK ASSESSMENT OF VIRUS-RESISTANT TRANSGENIC PLANTS - Annual ... - 6:26pmIf the wild population is resistant, introgression of a virus resistance transgene ... Studies currently under way in the different experimental systems ...
arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.phyto.40.120301.093728 - Similar pages

Now, I just think they never believed when they bring us down that we will be taking those a-holes with us.....at least I will be!
But you know how I have always said this is about their trees......well, there is an enzyme in the populous tree that causes linear_____ and it has glucans, etc. to do the job. I'm telling you....it the chemicals in these plants.....its the plants that are poisionous..

And skytroll, you know how I said the polydna virus of insects is what I believe transfers to the poly mavirus in humans.....which does cause that new type of incurable aids but they added a twist of dementia to it for fun??? Well hell yeah that's right.....I said it's like a CJakobson disease or mad cow....Anyway, I finally found and article on it.stating its from the wasp!

look here: (now, sure, it's me that is the disinformation crazy person- well not yet sistas and I'm milking of what is left of my brain to save others)

Listing by Alphabetical Subject Heading: MicrobiologyThis article discusses what transmissible spongiform encephalopathies are, ... Sanger Institute : Wolbachia pipientis endosymbiont of Culex quinquefasciatus ...
bioresearch.ac.uk/browse/subject-listing/QR1.html - 187k - Cached - Similar pages

BIOSCIENCEnetBASE: Biology References OnlineAn examination of Wolbachia, considered by many as a vehicle to deliver anti-malarial ... also known as transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs), ...
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ACTIONLYME HOMEPAGE(Anaplasma, Rickettsia, Bartonella, Brucella, Mycoplasma,Wolbachia, etc... ... transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, Borna, lyssaviruses, E. coli, ...
http://www.actionlyme.org/Coinfections.htm - 101k - Aug 27, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages
:shock: :shock: what did that last one say???? the rickettsia>>>>>

and that is what??? the new II CAT-SCRATCH DISEASE
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Postby Skytroll » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:10 am


Now now London, does this mean that it will not happen? By passing these laws. We can see how the stem cell law worked.

Thanks for the links.

Wow, London, those scientific experimental, developmental scientific cronies will have to toe the line. However, that line is stretching a bit.

Genetic Discrimination in Health Insurance or Employment
While most Americans are optimistic about the use of genetic information to improve health, many are concerned that genetic information may be used by insurers and employers to deny, limit or cancel their health insurance and to discriminate against them in the workplace. This concern is causing some not to participate in important biomedical research and others to refuse to be tested for genetic disorders.

The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) [hhs.gov] was the first step toward implementation of the policy recommendations on health insurance and provided some protection from discrimination, but gaps remain. For the last several years, the Congress has drafted legislation that could address these fears by banning genetic discrimination in health insurance and employment. On October 14, 2003, after years of negotiations, the U.S. Senate passed the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2003 (S.1053) [thomas.loc.gov] by a vote of 95-0 after the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee had passed the bill by voice vote in May 2003 with no major changes when the bill came to the floor.

Now are there any restrictions on the labs, universities, and agencies from the NIH to be followed? Oh sure there are rules, but, every way possible will be tried by those true die-hard geneticists who want the perfect human being.

The rules for Stem cells are not being followed, so I see no reason why this law, or any other on experimentation of "novel organisms" will be followed by this bunch of un natural folks.

Plasma, you say, which way, blood plasma, or the gridded plasma, ahhhhhhhhh Both.

Is Vander Waal the same as Brownian?

Okay, well then........a new kind of blood cell?

But, but, but........It is in the little "animales"

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