The Fiber Disease

[Cilla]

Hi Helen,

I do not understand a word of what you just said re archiving the pp, (and I do not want to either, as I hate technology).

If you were referring to people simply archiving Tam's posts, and, where required, those that would illuminate a particular reply that he may have given, that might in fact be one solution.

However, where I think that all of this technologically driven way of thinking has let many of us down is that too few people tend to take the time required to sit, read (hard copies) and think, making connections between concepts that might, at first sight, seem somewhat tenuous, or, worse, be missed altogether.

I do think that there is much we may have missed in Tam tam's posts, which is why I suggest that people print these off, and pore over them.

For instance, re the systemic insect technology in the cloning of the putative components of the culture, (for which we are advised to demand the Source Code from the ECDC), much has been left, not only unsaid, but, it would appear, unthought of.

Read what Tam said re the components within the culture. What systemic insects, or insect parts, would therefore be likely to be involved? Does this correlate (seeking truth again, here) with any other scientific findings reported in the literature? Read all of Dr Amin's published findings. Think about it, and seek other published correlation. Might this be indicative, (not absolutely confirmative), just merely indicative that Tam is, so far, correct?

You are not being asked, or told, anything, at any time, from me, Helen. All I am suggesting is that people, purely as a voluntary activity, should take the time to read and think about, not only what Tam has said, but also about what the experts at the MRF have said. Above all else, sick people should speedily consult a doctor, (perhaps one recommended by Mary at the MRF, if they really feel that they have something medically wrong with them that such a medical specialist could help with).

Seeing a doctor who could diagnose and treat a given disease is the best, and most important move any apparently sick person could make, and this is furthermore endorsed throughout this site. Tam himself keeps saying, 'see your doctor, ask him or her to prescribe ...'.

However, (not more important than getting individual medical help), if you feel that it is possible that some mistake happened somewhere in a high containment level laboratory, (C3 or above), as Tam has stated, then why not raise your concerns with the appropriate authorities? After all, it might turn out not to be the case at all, but no-one would mind a worried person asking the question, especially if they think that they are sick, and a scientist has said that such a release can cause certain types of illness, wholly, as it appears, consistent with their extremely unusual range of signs and symptoms.

Pretty strange, when one reflects, not to write, or to advise against writing! (I am not getting at you, Randy, I know that you are sincere in your views, and also that your heart is in the right place. If it really was you that brought Dr Schwartz and his protocol into the public domain, then you are a heroine for that alone).

[in_the_uk]

I say, print them out, partly to facilitate further reading and analysis, and partly because I believe there is a very good chance that this site could be shut down (if everything Tam tam and South say is even half true).

Cilla,

The above is why I said all that about pdf printers.

take the time required to sit, read (hard copies) and think, making connections between concepts that might, at first sight, seem somewhat tenuous, or, worse, be missed altogether.

absolutely, but that applies to most people who post on here. London, Skytroll, Randy, Southcity, the list is endless. It is a question of processing all of those concepts. There is not one person who has any better idea than anyone else. Why put Tamtam on a pedestal just because he/she has made a video? Remember also that that video has not been receiving good reviews from those who know about what it is supposed to be talking about.

and a scientist has said

Cilla, why would any scientist produce a video that falls down so badly on the presentation of the science? I suggest that you read Dr. Wymore's criticism of the first video, which I think is very fair, and watch the video again. In terms of the presentation of the "samples" what has changed? Does the text make any more sense than it did before? As far as I can see the difference between the first and the second video is that the second one has music and a nice clip of some crashing waves. Does that make it more scientific?

Helen

[ukguy]

Cilla,

You must take a break from reading TamTam's posts.

Forgive me, but you're beginning to sound cryptic also

Not exactly reminiscent of catching the flight on Trans-Love airlines 'On a warm San Francisco night', is it?

Please explain, thanks.

Ukguy

[RANDY]

This may sound silly but on my journey I found a place that sells shares of goats so that you can get raw goat milk since in most states in the USA it is illegal to sell raw goats milk....how dumb is that one...wonder why? You can buy alcohol, cigs and drink bad water and breath bad polluted air but it is illegal to buy raw goats milk which has health benefits...hummmmmm............strange world we live in..this USA.

I have been hearing of the wonder of this helping with all kinds of diseases.

Anyone know about the power of raw goats milk being an natural anitbiotic?

Randy

[Cilla]

No, Randy!

Milk is pasteurised in the US for a very good reason. I do not advise this at all.

[Cilla]

Hi UK Guy,

It's a well known old hippy song about the clement weather in the Bay area. This might explain the clusters there. The UK is freezing in comparison, so maybe the pathogen or whatever it is likes the heat.

[in_the_uk]

It's a well known old hippy song about the clement weather in the Bay area. This might explain the clusters there. The UK is freezing in comparison, so maybe the pathogen or whatever it is likes the heat.

So....the fibre disease was around in the 60s?

[Cilla]

Hi Helen,

I don't know about that, but the song is about the warmth of a San Franciscan night, which, what with global warming and all, (if one believes in that theory), must surely mean that the Bay Area is still a good bit hotter than the environs of the Pleasure Beach for holidays!

I did not say anything about the fiber disease being around in the 60s, although the inventor of the culture in question no doubt was.

What I said was, compared with the numbers in the Bay Area cluster, the UK would seem to form but a fraction, and not really a cluster at all.

Therefore, what is the difference? The warm San Francisco nights! UK Guy wanted this decrypted, and thought I should take a break from reading Tam's posts, (as if, I am only warming up!), so I told him it was actually a famous song of the era. That in no way logically suggests that the fiber disease was about then!

Nor do I believe it existed in the time of the ancients, even if I make the odd reference to Trojan Horses!

It's not rocket science. Many pathogens, particularly of a tropical hue, prefer the heat.

[ukguy]

Hi UK Guy,

It's a well known old hippy song about the clement weather in the Bay area. This might explain the clusters there. The UK is freezing in comparison, so maybe the pathogen or whatever it is likes the heat.

Ok gotcha.

I spoke with a girl from Scotland last week. Doesn't get much colder
than that in these isles. Both her and her husband have symptoms.
Her symptoms are: itching, fibres, worms, clothing disintegrating.
Her daughter in law and both her grandchildren are now showing
symptoms.

Someone posted over at Lymbusters a few weeks ago to say that
her friend's family had this. Her had said there were strange fibres
coming out of her skin. The family were based in London.
Unfortunately, one of the 'guests with an agenda' posted a really
insulting reply insinuating that she was making it up and she never
returned.

This organism may prefer warmer climates but it seems more than
happy to go about it's business without the need for shades.

Ukguy

[1arrow]

Whoever thinks San Franciso has warm nights obviously has never spent any time there. San Franciso is notroiously chilly and at times quite windy.

You want warm nights go to Needles or Barstow or even Escondido.

I doubt the weather has anything to do with a cluster in San Franciso.

Arrow

[Linn]

Whoever thinks San Franciso has warm nights obviously has never spent any time there. San Franciso is notroiously chilly and at times quite windy.

You want warm nights go to Needles or Barstow or even Escondido.

I doubt the weather has anything to do with a cluster in San Franciso.

Arrow

Well its pretty cold here in Massachusetts in the winter I'll tell ya!!!

IMO this may be a tropical disease. Just as West Nile is not from here it is now speading and transmitted to us during the summer months. In California, Texas and Florida the warmer weather means more months to transmit this and thus the clusters, not to mention the proximity to mexico.

This is just my theory based on my observations of the information.

RE The Lyme connection in the NE (although I am neg for Lyme but will be retested in August) I am still trying to figure out.

Since the theroy amongst many of us is there are many, many vectors besides ticks.

[Cilla]

Hi all,

Well, I am sure that I don't know. Eric Burden, or whoever used to sing that song, (and I was just a little girl, but remember my older siblings playing it), was obviously lying.

I know that Massachusetts is cold in the winter, Linn, but did you not say that you felt worse then, because you felt that the metabolism of (maybe the fly larvae) would slow down, but that things would speed up in the warmer weather, and whatever had been slowly breeding would perhaps then fly off? The weather has got something to do with this. If the metabolism of breeding arthropods speeds up in hot weather, and if strange fibers are part of this, then more people are going to be aware of things rapidly moving on them.

I know there are some cases in the UK, and that is disgraceful what happened to that enquirer, UK Guy. What I am saying is that nights here would tend, on the whole, to be chillier than San Francisco or Florida, where there are clusters.

Maybe. Where is the coldest place on earth? Where has there been no reports of the fiber disease? Ask Cliff!