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Postby Cilla » Fri May 12, 2006 10:33 am

Hi Randy,

You said:

'Cilla,

No I did not find it hard to grasp the causation information.(Snotty are we?)

One was for a civil case, with or without a class action and the other attorney was a friend from HS who deals in Criminal, Federal law.

Both Crimimal and Civil although the burden of proof is less in a civil case both need causation.'

I was not being 'snotty'. I was merely indicating that it would be quite a good idea for all of you to give the issue of causation much more in the way of studied reflection (i.e. read about it), because, if you do not understand it, you could very easily metaphorically shoot yourself in the head in advance of any purported action in legal negligence.

There is a lot of people who do not understand the law, generally, and this central concept, specifically. Unfortunately, unless you do know, understand, and can comply with whatever the applicable law might be on a given issue, you are lost. Therefore, if none of you understand it, and act in ways based on this ignorance, you could lose handsomely.

It is difficult to see the logic, Randy, in your going to two different firms, even if one specialised in civil, and the other in criminal, law. If you did not have evidence sufficient for causation in a civil negligence suit, how could you even hope to have it for a criminal one?
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Postby Cilla » Fri May 12, 2006 11:24 am

Hi all,

I have been speaking to a very senior legal specialist about the issues.

Basically, your only hope for redress would be to ask for an investigation to be initiated by the aforementioned relevant authorities.

It may well be the case that no evidence will be found linking an American laboratory, for instance, to any wrongdoing that would have led to this condition apparently appearing, in clusters and otherwise.

You will never know unless you ask for this investigation, because, apparently, or so it would seem, those who would be charged with the responsibility of conducting such an enquiry have been told nothing as yet of your concerns.

You would not be making any accusations about anyone. You would simply be raising the fact of your apparent condition, and linking this to what a scientist has specifically and repeatedly averred on this site as being the causative agent.

It would be the responsibility of this specialist agency to decide thereafter what, if any, investigations would be deemed necessary.

You can be most assured that they would be extremely thorough.

If, under specialist scientific advisement, it emerged that there was a possibility of what had been averred could in fact be true, it would most assuredly lead to unstinting efforts on the part of those whose job it would be to uncover this.

Apart from the fact of their inherent professionalism, they would not allow a situation to develop whereupon other purported clusters may continue to be reported after the fact of this situation being officially reported to them.

For instance, it would seem to have been mentioned that something of this sort may have occurred relatively recently in the UK.

Although there would not seem to be any update on this, who might know who could have alerted, or who might still report their concerns, to the relevant UK authorities?

The US authorities concerned would tend to have a view on any postulated link to an area within their jurisdiction.

There would seem to be a whole lot of these pockets of secretiveness going on, which this legal expert finds frankly baffling.

Nobody is asking, so nobody is answering, so how on earth do you expect the CDC, for example, to know?



This legal expert finds the general behaviour on this site regrettable
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Postby Cilla » Fri May 12, 2006 11:42 am

Hi again,
Re the general site behaviour being regrettable, the legal expert concerned actually would not believe, until seen by their own eyes, some of the remarks made concerning other religious and ethnic groups, remarks made by an individual who quite candidly divulged all of their details, including those pertaining to contact. What was particularly unbelievable, until seen, were the subsequent congratulatory posts by others, inciting more of the same.
Naturally enough, this expert is bowing out, and strongly advises me to have no personal contact with any individual on this site, as this would be manifestly fruitless.
A remark was made about the possibility of you initiating or possibly filing legal action, and being aware of possible 'time barring' situations.
Also, another remark was made re seeking the investigation, and consideration of invoking the criminal law, as suggested by the scientist, as negligence might not be the only road open to you.
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Postby Skytroll » Fri May 12, 2006 12:33 pm

Cilla,

If this was released by a foreign lab, Europe, then what recourse do we have here?

We can only use international law.

Why are scientists so sensitive?

Novel organisms can be created and we are to not react to that at all.

What is with these sensitive concerns?

Here in America, we are laughed at if we would take this to authorities, especially if it came from Europe.

Besides, what causation? We cannot get any doctors to look at this.

Our best bet is to find the source of the organism, we do not know where that is, who do we have investigated. You know the CDC has to know of releases, that is their job. So that won't hold water.

Now, if it was released in Europe intentionally, or accidently, then we have a whole different situation.

So, until we know what lab is involved, we will be again chasing our tails.

We have to have some kind of evidence for authorities to view.

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Postby Skytroll » Fri May 12, 2006 12:35 pm

It sounds like the authorities in Europe are sponging this off to America, when they created it.

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Postby RANDY » Sun May 14, 2006 2:25 am

If you read my recent post, and that of Tam tam, you will see that we were referring to the possibility of you invoking the criminal law in the US.

The two firms that you went to see, Randy, were to do with you seeking to establish a case under the tort of negligence. This is civil law, not criminal. It is often very difficult to win a civil case in legal negligence, because the onus is on you, the plaintiff or pursuer, to prove, to the standard of law required, that the defendant had a. a duty of care, b. they breached that duty of care, either by action or omission, and c. that particular breach of the duty of care caused you a given injury.


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Postby RANDY » Sun May 14, 2006 2:33 am

It is difficult to see the logic, Randy, in your going to two different firms, even if one specialised in civil, and the other in criminal, law. If you did not have evidence sufficient for causation in a civil negligence suit, how could you even hope to have it for a criminal one?

THEN YOU STATED THIS??????????

The civil one was not the federal/criminal one. And one was a HS buddy as I already stated.

Federal law can have you state something, like the Tam rambling of YOU HAVE INFECTED US WITH AN UNKNOWN PATHOGEN thing he told us to tell people....and they would have to prove they did not..that is different than the causation deal in the civil case. But if you are wrong it is big bucks out of your pocket...so you have to be 100% dead on that you know who the culpret is. Then if you can prove mnetal anguish, other disease linked ot it etc... you have a case. In Civil law you have to show damages and in Criminal law you have to show proof beyond a resonable doubt and show the damages that came directly from that that has cause long term damage that would not have occured if something was done differently.

I am only dusting this lightly..but without a name, and a reason and damages..long term that can be proved it is pee-in up a rope.

Ya gotta remember I am from a Jewish family and we are stocked up with Lawyers and Doctors and Accountants...........

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Postby RANDY » Sun May 14, 2006 2:38 am

scuze the typos..just got back from NC...left VA at 6Am and just got back to VA now. REALLY TIRED.
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Postby ukguy » Sun May 14, 2006 2:05 pm

Skytroll wrote:It sounds like the authorities in Europe are sponging this off to America, when they created it.
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Skytroll, that's simply not true. You have proof of this?
The fact that the vast majority of cases seem centred
around areas in the US would suggest otherwise.

Are you perhaps referring to Cilla's statement...

Cilla wrote:For instance, it would seem to have been mentioned that something of this sort may have occurred relatively recently in the UK.


I think Cilla means that there have been reported cases recently
in the UK. My dermatologist said that he had a patient in his
practice with the classic symptoms only a few weeks ago.

Hi Cilla..

You said:

Cilla wrote:Although there would not seem to be any update on this, who might know who could have alerted, or who might still report their concerns, to the relevant UK authorities?


Which specific authorities are you referring to ?

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Postby ukguy » Sun May 14, 2006 2:34 pm

Cilla

The CDC are quite aware of Morgellons and have
actually started contacting people directly via post.

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Postby London » Mon May 15, 2006 4:38 pm

Dearest Tam Tam,

Hi, I hope you're doing okay. I have been anxiously awaiting what
you have in store for us. ( this week sometime, right?)

Well, I wanted to ask you if I have something correct or not. In regards to wing pattern, I have found that this relates to the protein kinase.

Am I correct on this?

Also, unless this is anthrax, I can't find the link between biodefense and this organism.....I'm not saying it is not there , but simply that I can not find the issue.

Tam Tam, I believe I know ( or a very good part/ percentage) of what was cloned to create this creature.....

A helluva lot has to do with the invertebrates......

Could you be so kind to give us your opinion of how or most likely theory of how this was transmitted to us?

I do believe it may be of course in the food but I know for what I think to be a fact, that it is in the water.

I also believe that it is most likey to be found in Chilled A/C water towers.

This is how I do believe I contracted mine. Granted, the soil contains it
but it's spores are spread thru various means.

I believe this whole thing started because of the superweeds that they cannot kill. I have two species of plants in mind that are responsible...right down to the scientific name of them

but...like I said, I believe it is this superweed that has caused the problems......or the pesticides to kill the marine invertebrate that I speak of......

Would love to hear more from you.....


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