The Fiber Disease

[RANDY]

http://www.ccid.org/audio.htm

Nope. The above is not him. This is a 1999 radio interview.

[RANDY]

http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/Johnmartin.html

This explains things a bit more.

OK I am done.

Stripped of his license

[southcity]

Dr martin may very well play a very important role in this issue. Here is some words from tamtam about Dr. Martin...


"Facts that can easily be gathered from my research are so confronting that nobody from the medical community dares to associate with it- simply out of fear for career damage and/ or ex- communication that for sure will result in future loss of capital gain.
(Dr Martin is a revolution on its own/ Indeed viral factors(plasmids) next to DNA mimicing protein seems to be involved but this constitutes not the main body of this infectious agent)"


Also, Dr. Martin is still very much alive. here is his website. http://ccid.org/index.htm



and a bit more from him concerning ace pigments. Stealth Virus Culture Pigments: A Potential Source of Cellular Energy photos /paper published by John

http://www.ccid.org/stealth/clinical/viteria.htm



Perhaps you should double check your facts before posting things and sounding like you know them inside and out.

By the way, your "friend" from the press never contacted me or tamtam. So I would like to add that you have no reasons to doubt anyone, but you have left many reasons to doubt yourself. tamtam has followed through with what he has said he would, you have not.

Southcity

[ukguy]

Hi All,

This is my first post on the board, but I have been reading for a while. I do not suffer from this fiber disease myself, but I work in the medical field and am quite interested in what is going on here.

I was just curious if anyone was familiar with alternative cellular energy (ACE) pigments? A friend showed me this article today, and I thought I would pass it on...unfortunately, I know that some of you would be better qualified than I to say if this sounds like it could be related to this disorder:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15924873&dopt=Abstract

I don't remember seeing this mentioned before, but I'm sorry if I have overlooked it!

Take care, everyone.

Hi MT Bear!

We would very much appreciate your input here.

Dr John Martin's research is fascinating. Whether it has any bearing
on the disease being discussed here is difficult to say.

Regarding the website link posted by Randy that announces Dr Martin
has been stripped of his license: I read this quite some time ago and
was surprised to see this page ranking FIRST in the search results
for W John Martin. I won't go into detail here but it's odd that this
scores so highly in the Google results.

This to me looks like a deliberate smear on Dr Martin's name. I cannot
find any other evidence to suggest this is true and Dr Martin is still
practising. Hmmm..on further inspection, the site appears genuine
and centres around CFS research. Ok..not sure what to make of
this after all...

Here's an interesting link. Dr Martin is mentioned here about
2/3 through the page.

http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/shinealight.html

Thanks MT Bear and South City.

Ukguy

[Skytroll]

Bt Bear and Randy, Uk guy,

Hey, this Dr. Martin as many before him, Bechamp, Mattman, Clark, Swartz, and others who know that bacteria and virus have linked. This again brings back the fact that bacteria and virus together cause symptoms that one germ theory cannot explain.

Now, I am thinking on post here, so if anyone wants to do this, by all means, jump in here. I am looking at how the process may be unfolding.....as a process, and we are seeing this in our bodies.

With the use of high tech, nano and other materials, an inorganic/organic prcess is being attempted to fix part of the process that if left alone and with adequate sunshine would most likely cure itself. But one fix, deserves another, deserves another, until it is destroyed. The fixes are worse than the problem.

So, pleomorphism. It is so hard for medical, scientific people to change focus. I am not being dismissive of doctors intellect by any means, but, those who know that the mycrozymas, protits, etc. have been around a long time, know there is something wrong with the germ theory. The blood is alive, the blood is not sterile.

When virus/bacteria mix, doctors treat bacteria, viruses they say will run their course, so nothing is given for virus, other than a vaccine. This is where medicine went wrong. By using genes, serum, etc from other animals, more bacterias are put in the body to kill the one supposedly causing the illness.
Not seen as a process.

But, any doctor who will not follow the Salk/Pasteur protocol will have his/her licence yanked.

Why is that? Because they know the real cause of many diseases. It is the Bacteria, yeast, viral,
fungal, and mold scenario that is part of the process of life. It is in the environment. Think of it as bigger than you or I, the earth environment has been changed, by those who think they can fix it based on germ theory, totally oblivious to the idea that it all begins with bacteria.

Now, bacteria, penicillin itself is a bacteria, but, is used to kill a smaller bacteria, however, it sets up more bacteria, because now you have to deal with the repercussions of the penicillin. More biofilm.

So, as the followers of Bechamp say, it is in the environment, of our bodies, and now environment outside of our bodies.

Process.......Anywhere along the process, disease can begin.

So, bacteria-BT, strep, staph, Multitudes of them being used as microbial fermentation to break down anything, pollution, waste, etc.
Put into worms, to eat other insects. but is bioengineered, clones etc. NOT NATURAL.
Then along comes yeast.........candida
Fermentation processes.........
Then along comes viruses....polio, diptheria, etc.
Then along comes fungus......diplos,
And finally mold.........

Now, to hook the amoeba to the protozoa, that is the big question..........

Dr. Martin has found the diseases in between, as I belive Dr. Swartz has.

I think this is what is happening......If one still follows the germ -theory of Pasteur, then it is a program the govt can use, remember this happened after Roosevelt, who had polio, was never given the vaccine. too late........Please look at this people.........he got it in a lake.

We have to look at history and find the missing holes. This whole genetic targeting is wrong, because it is not about genes, proteins, it is about bacteria.......the beginning of the destructive proces in our bodies.

It is about being clean inside. The diseases we are seeing cannot be labeled in a box, because it is the result of a process. In between each part of the process is the disease.

Fermentation has stopped. I cannot believe that doctors out there have never considered this.

I believe they have, but the protocols mandated by government have stopped any investigation into this matter.

If someone could answer this. Why are so many children with muscular dystrophy dying in this century at the ages of 13 and 14, when many who are older are still living in their 50's, 60'. etc?

What has happened and has happened before?
Polio was let loose. How did that happen?

Water............Bacteria in water began to ferment, because of yeast, fungus, because an overabundance of fungus has been sprayed to kill imported weeds, so the process of the earth fermenting has begun. If we cannot correct the ph balance of the earth, I cannot believe that Mr. Gore has not written about this, then the next process will begin on earth. It is in the algae.........it is not being eaten by anything, because it is poison, the process stops here and the destruction begins.
Diseases are forming, but, CDC is still looking at one germ theory.

By using bacteria, yeasts, fungus to kill pests, in the wrong manner, even though it has digestible parts, is not the answer. Cleaning is about the correct bacteria, now we have the problem with the algae. it all comes back to the algae.

Just what is algae? What process does it do?

Martin's whole idea of viteria is the basis.

Bacteria/viruses now to the next level. So, if one uses the one germ theory, one will never arrive at the cause of what we have.

One has to think differently. It is all about thinking it out. The process, life is a process.

This disease is breaking down our cell, which is setting the stage for the next part of the process of life/ or destruction.

So, we need to find where in the process we are.

bacteria stage, yeast stage, fungal stage, viral stage, fungus/bacteria mix - algae.

Now, bring in the altered genes, and one mess is creating another mess.

It is a process.

I think that Dr. Martin is right!

Skytroll

If we can treat the environment of our bodies, we will not see the the bacteria(the bad) in our bodies.

Good nutritionists are in order. Where are they?

I am thinking here, so if anyone thinks I am washed up, please let me know. I may have missed a stage there.

Still learning, Citizen Scientist, looking at the philosophy, process of biology itself. Still a beginner.

UK,
read that some time ago, you see what is happening? Those docs whose licences have been revoke KNOW> THE ANSWER..........This has happened in history, that we know not, before!

Paradigm shift in science/medical?

Sky

[Skytroll]

Making evolution happen is one of the problems.

It is about discovery, not creating it in a lab.

All this money spent on this, when it could be spent on teaching us to keep our bodies balanced.

TCM, an answer? possibly.
Many docs, integrated med, or go natural, because the process is natural.

But, since genetic modification, alteration, creation has begun, we now need something to counteract that.

This goes beyond the process, it puts a problem in the process of life itself, doesn't it?

It alters us, the environment, in the wrong way, because it tweaks with what is.

Now, there are those who are trying to bring us into the 4th dimension, that involves some physics there, of which America is lacking or is keeping in high places. All the secrets of physics.

When philosophy was thrown out of institutions or only taught at elite institutions, it really stopped the thinking process for many studens.

I like it myself, thought it to be one of the most productive subjects ever. The whole process has been dismissed as boring, but, I find it quite
basic, to any type of learning.

Skytroll

[Skytroll]

Okay,

Back to observations:

bump on belly........itching begins
can see where tick-like, scabie l-like object in bump, with tweezers, pull out, and inside is a
1/16" black flat fiber. This fiber is thicker at one end, and appears broken, maybe not natural?
Maybe polymer? to hold a drug or a bacteria pod?

See: http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/bmm/#NOTICE

Inside this if you scroll down first page you will see polymer fibers and its connection to bacterias.

Please see all the different connections, hollow tubes, it seems a process is taking place. If anyone can see this please comment. I believe others see this too.

If you don't know what I mean, please advise. or let me know. There must be a connection here otherwise why the chemtrails? What purpose?
They spray at night, sun does not shine at night.
If say it is because of global warming?

Now, the chemtrails have polymer fibers capable of holding bacteria in them, to say be sprayed over the population. More unknown bacteria, why?

As a giant antibacteria phase of operations?

Read through some of this, what purpose?

Hidden agendas?

Anyway, back to the observation. The black fibers to me are not natural, they are polymer, I believe.

However, nanoparticles of metals, alum, titanium,
and barium, have been documented in chemtrails, are these the heating mechanisms?

So, if the fibers are polymeric, soft, easily incorporated into pores, ion channels, etc. then what is the purpose of it? Why are we being altered?


BAck to my observations:
Now, the bacteria part of the observation. Seems to spread in a fungal type of way, white objects, appear near the bump. The bump seems to be forming, encasing with a protist, worm-like nest.

But, near it are the white lipid, cholesterol like soft, not nec bacterial like, but more branching with budding pods that skim the edge of the skin, can be removed, but, are just white blobs hooked to each other, very tiny, but can be seen. These itch as it spreads just below top layer of skin.

Meanwhile, the bump, twirling worm like area seems to grow.

More on that later, will watch this one bump.

Have larger one, looks almost like a tick bite, but, more wormlike as it grows, with the white schlerosing type of stuff inside lesion. Also, black fibers coming out of lesion. Some long, some broken etc.

Also, am having neurological problems. Side of head by gums, so painful when eat. I brush my teeth with Baking soda, seems to help. ph wrong.
Also, use cloves instead of toothpaste, toothpaste, excessive flouride in it makes it worse, along with the mercury in my teeth.
It is the squeezing in the side of my head and the clicking in the ears that is really quite disturbing. Pain brings tears sometimes. But, each day is a new day!

Have been seeing black ticks around. Could be spraying them again, as has been done in past. To increase Lymes disease. Has been done before so, am way off here. They might be getting desperate, because pharma is ready to sell their genetic products to fix it, ha ha.

Not only is pharma looking to control our brains, with all the psychological stuff that is wrong with us, but, in creating disease, to treat it, like Lymes, like neuromuscular, like polio, like aids, like emerging disease, with no answers. Where are they emerging from?



Skytroll

[Linn]

Hi,standby, south, Helen, John, ukguy, doc,

Randy,sky, cilla, befour, bartz, and....
London especially and every one else who are together on this research (let us not forget that)

(

southcity:Dr Martin is a revolution on its own/ Indeed viral factors(plasmids) next to DNA mimicing protein seems to be involved but this constitutes not the main body of this infectious agent)"

I have found that any thing is possable.

I have been researching bacteria and came across this image, it looks familar (perhaps it has been posted before)
Although this bacteria is gram pos and not pathogenic to humans, it has been completly sequenced and is a common bacteria used as model.
Since it produces fibers I think it may be one imput.:

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articleren ... gure&id=F1

[Linn]

PS;
to the above:
when this bacteria is used in pesticides it can cause reaction in dermis in some people.


and from the link provided by Randy above;

Stealth viruses, according to( name deleted)"Do, indeed, exist and can be at the
root of many multi-system neuro degenerative illnesses such as Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome, fibromyalgia, attention deficit disorder, autism and other diseases
causing behavioral changes." He also lists Lyme's Disease, Gulf War Illness, a
bevy of psychiatric illnesses and oncogenic (cancerous) diseases. But nobody has
ever been able to replicate his findings in over a decade. So why has his license
been pulled?

that has to do with:

http://www.chronicillnet.org/CFS/Ostrom/chp9.html

[southcity]

Hello Skytroll. you are very close to what I have been told concerning the fibers, which is that they are formed as "pathways" of cellular pocesses. perhaps apoptic and ? others.

related or not you have expressed exactly the types of issues that the human race faces today. as if not enough to be concerned about, now we have scientists publically speaking about working on synthetic organisms. this is important considering that which is discussed today is in reality 10 to 30 yrs old tech.

[standby]

INTERESTING: CRACKING THE BIBLE CODE tidbits of controversial knowledge.

Randy

Cracking the code concerning this illness and dealing with the controversy surrounding it is of major concern to sufferers. One must try to be realistic when addressing accomplishments of those involved in the cause. Accurate science is a tedious methodical process. One just needs to look back in medical history to understand. Not saying we need to sit back and patiently watch and wait by any means, just understand the mechanics behind science and discovery and stop attacking those trying to achieve it.

"Cracking the bible code" is completely OFF topic on this thread and best discussed elsewhere please.

[Linn]

more links for you:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/3/18

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8

Bacillus subtilis > Brucella???