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Postby Linn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:25 pm

from the second link you gave:
and can eject inedible material.

I wonder what the hell that looks like?

OK I am going for tea to my daughters
catch you later London, :)
Hang in there hon!!
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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:26 pm

List of symptoms of Gulf War syndrome: The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Gulf War syndrome includes those listed below. Note that Gulf War syndrome symptoms usually refers to various symptoms known to a patient, but the phrase Gulf War syndrome signs may refer to those signs only noticable by a doctor:

Depression
Post-traumatic stress disorder
Chronic fatigue
Cognitive dysfunction
Bronchitis
Asthma
Fibromyalgia
Alcohol abuse
Anxiety disorder

Pretty much , just plain ol' f. up.
Sexual discomfort


I did not intentionally type those two together like that above- although it was funny.
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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:31 pm

oh Lynne, I did a google search for you.....

Google: can eject inedible material

Here you go:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... e+material

and you have to see this one- how quaint/ how smug.......


http://www.huge-entity.com/2005/10/pres ... -mold.html
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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:49 pm

Cilla,

Here is some info from the ocean on Feather Stars- dunno if it relates or
not......

Feather stars (Class Crinoidea)

Feather stars or crinoids have a small, round body with a mouth on its dorsal surface and a multitude of colourful arms, in some species as many as 120. Each arm has many fine side branches, giving them a feather-like appearance. This enables the feather star to present a large area of mucous-coated body to the water currents and from this trap planktonic food. This filter-feeding explains why they are commonly found above the reef floor, where currents are stronger.

Crinoids were frequently seen clinging to sponges and gorgonians on the deep water banks of Sneezy and Wicked. Although they appear permanently attached, they perch with a cluster of claw-like cirri, and if disturbed can swim briefly by rapidly flapping their arms
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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:06 pm

This my friends is an example of how they have it hidden

(¯`·.¸(¯`·.¸ You found the place that will teach you how to find ...But the PAGES you are searching for are hidden somewhere on the huge web. You'll learn here how to find them. Let's hope you will, one beautiful day, ...
http://www.searchlores.org/words.htm - Similar pages


http://www.searchlores.org/words.htm
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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:28 pm

I do not know what The Tam is trying to tell us but if it is regarding

Chemical Warfare Agents, well here is the top 100:

http://www.roguesci.org/theforum/battle ... gents.html


Gotta Jet-

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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:20 pm

Look what I just found:

This is a snippet off of page 37 of the document:


Seventeen years after the multilateral consultative mechanism was proposed, it was
invoked for the first time to address an allegation by Cuba that a US government aircraft
had deliberately released a crop-destroying insect pest over the island in an attempt to
damage its agricultural sector.
After first attempting without success to resolve the issue
with the United States on a bilateral basis, Cuba approached the Russian Federation, one
of the BTWC depositary states, on 30 June 1997 and requested a formal consultative
meeting of states parties to consider its claim.
The facts of the case are as follows. On 21 October 1996, an S2R crop-dusting plane
operated by the US Department of State overflew Cuba through the Giron air corridor on
an approved flight path from Florida to Grand Cayman Island. The plane was en route to
Colombia to participate in a coca crop eradication campaign. As the US aircraft passed

http://www.bwpp.org/documents/2004BWRFinal_000.pdf
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This was specifically talking about Thrips Palmi:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/pestnote/thrips.htm
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and this is more from the first hyperlink; it is page 60 on your page count
of computer:

Up to now, ten different TLRs (TLR1–TLR10) in humans have been described. These
molecules contain a characteristic leucine-rich extracellular domain (LLR), which
recognises the conserved structures of the PAMPs and leads in the end through a signalling
cascade to the activation of genes that control the production of inflammatory
cytokines,14
as depicted in Figure 1.
Macrophages produce type I interferons (a and b), which are cytokines that are essential
for successful defence against many viral infections. They are also potent producers of
inflammatory cytokines, including interleukin 1 beta (IL-1$), IL-6 and tumour necrosis
factor alpha (TNF"), which mediate reactions designed to combat infections. When these
cytokines are produced in moderate amounts, they contribute greatly to defence mechanisms
directed against pathogens and to the healing process in general. If they are
produced in particularly large amounts or continually during chronic illness, this can lead
to various disorders like coronary insufficiency, thrombus formation, hypoglycemia, and,
in some cases, even to shock and death.15 This makes these activities particularly vulnerable
to malign modulation, such as by targeting the TLRs to induce hyper-responses, or by
inhibiting key components in signalling cascades that would upset the balance. It is
interesting to note in this regard that IL-1 was reported to be effective in aerosol form in
pulmonary absorption studies carried out by the US Army under its medical research
programme.16
Innate immunity of plants
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This is on page 86

Biocontrol agents are living organisms, such as bacteria, fungi, insects, mites or weeds, or
microorganisms that are used in the control of microbes or other organisms. BacillA large
number of biocontrol agents are currently available, such as in the USA, where they are
marketed as biopesticides, and include bacteria like Agrobacterium, the widely-used
Bacillus thuringiensis that produces a protein toxic to species of insects pests belonging
to the orders lepidoptera (caterpillars), diptera (flies), and coleoptera (beetles and
weevils), Pseudomonas and Streptomyces. Further biopesticides include fungi like
Ampelomyces, Candida, Coniothyrium and Trichoderma.5 Interestingly, freely available
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This sounds like pure Anthrax to me!
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Now Haemphilus Influeza:

a disease that effects bacteria, hmm...

http://textbookofbacteriology.net/haemophilus.html
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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:52 pm

Cilla wrote:I think there would seem to be more than one type of 'fibre' being complained of or reported in the general literature on this condition, and on this site.

So, if they are not all the same, we do have to look very closely at what they all are, or might be.


I agree with that. I think you are going to have a big problem with comtaminants though. Lots of stuff just floating around. How can you isolate what are disease related fibers and what are environmental contamination?

Cilla wrote:Could it be that the original scientific experiment had something to do with using material that would behave as a concerted whole, mimicking this idea of the perfect balance of nature, principally within the scalp?


People keep mentioning that this is some kind of GM organism. Besides the elusive and unusal nature of the thing, is there any evidence for this? People seem to be assuming this has been demonstrated, but I don't see any evidence written down.

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Re: proposed action - booklet & website

Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:55 pm

Linn wrote:
FiberSymptoms wrote:This is good work. Should a website be constructed, I can contribute toward the cost of it.

FS (or QH)


roger that!!
I too would contribute.
this is a good cause. espeialy to help
prevent this in children.

but for now we just need everyones time and
effort in answering questions,


You can set up a web-site for free at
http://officelive.microsoft.com/
You can even get your own domain for free.

That said - have people tried collaborating with morgellons.org ?

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Postby Linn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:02 pm

Make sure when it opens up that you scroll down to "POPULAR CULTURE"
TO SEE HOW IT NOW FITS INTO ARTWORK AND hah!!!>>COMPUTER gAMES!

I guess I can't see that there?

London you are so good at finding info
LOL I think we are all going to be experts
in micro-biological organisms soon.
I noticed you are consistent about the pesticide theory.

were you personaly ever exposed to it?

RE: slime mold I am inclined to say its not any slime
mold that is naturaly occuring, gosh if it were there would
millions
the cases of morgs through out the centuries,
slime mold is all around us. silly,silly :roll:
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Postby John Kern » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:08 pm

London wrote:Although that is a very more likely description then the one I recieved

from tha ever so smart Dermatologist that I went to. She had simply

told me that is was simply folliculitis with Staph. I told her how in the world could she claim it was Staph A. when there was

no pus (I hate that word) involved? She then took back those words of hers when the she did another biopsi but had this one cultured.

The results: No Staph A. What it was: Unknown!!!!!!!

She chalked it up to folliculitis. Now that was in January. The one place that was biopsied still to this day has a scab on it which is green in color.

This was done on the shin. Her excuse was the veinous tissue was not letting it heal.

She just was grasping at straws for an answer b/c my doppler sonogram showed NO veinous throbosis.

they are all idiots with a god-like complex. I take that back........


You doctor was perhaps lacking in bedside manners, but she was following sound sound scientific principles in trying to diagnose you.

First she observed your symptoms (which look like folliculitis)
Then formed a hypothesis (folliculitis due to staph A)
Then performed an experiment (culture for staph)
Then modified the hypothesis (folliculitis, but not staph)
And repeated the process.

The cause of folliculitis can be hard to track down. Before she can entertain any "new to science" type theories, surely she should first exhaust all the possible known causes - but this takes a lot of time. She will start with the most likely cause, and then proceed to the less likely. When she has eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains must be the answer (unless you missed something). :wink:

See:
http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic159.htm
For all the possible causes of folliculitis

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Postby London » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:10 pm

John,

As a starting point, a paper written in 2003 by three US Department of Defense
analysts8—perhaps the most systematic assessment available in the public domain—is
used to develop a framework for thinking about future trends. The three authors consider
the evolution of biological warfare in three phases.
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Thought this would be a good place for you to start!

http://www.bwpp.org/documents/2004BWRFinal_000.pdf

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