The Fiber Disease

[John Kern]

We have done all the above, John Kern,

I have had this for 15 years, and we have gone from over 37 theories to 6, with many types of things going on.

You know Scientific Revolution takes some time, and an uncommon paradigm, will of course be snubbed, because it is not popular.

It takes one, with the truth to start the ball rolling,
and in this case, there is more than one, so we have a good start.

It is not easy challenging a 40-50 year old paradigm that started on the wrong foot.

Make that a 100 year old paradigm.

Skytroll

Why don't people put their research on the internet? I can't find anything that covers the kind of systematic experiments I was listing.

If people are just researching on themselves, nothing will get done. It needs to be cross-correlated.

Specifically on the tea-tree-oil object production - is there ANYTHING on the internet other than "I rub oil on, objects/fibers appear". Anything quantitative? Any experiments along the lines of the scientific method? Most importantly - anything written down?

- John

[ukguy]

UkGuy, I believe what you are saying - I'm just of a scientific background, so it's in my nature to try eliminate possibilities before accepting extraordinary conclusions.

What that your experience been in presenting this evident to medical professionals? I presume it's been bad, as that's what I read in general.

I mean no dis-respect here, but it seem like there should be a scientific process of elimination to narrow down what is going on. Have you tried:

- Using things other than tea tree oil
- counting the objects, then repeating at timed intervals, to see if the production rate varies over time.
- Spraying tea tree oil on various parts of the body to see what the production rate is.
- Spraying tea tree oil on your spouse.
- spraying tea tree oil on an inert object to see if anything emerges
- going to a hotel and trying there.
- comparing the object you find with detritus from vaious location in and out of the home to see if there is any correlation.
- performing simple experiment on the objects (do they float, do they dissolve in water, do they repel a thin film of oil on the surface of a bowl of water, do they smell, do they burn, what kind of smoke smell, can you culture them in agar, plant them in rooting gel ....).

There are lots of things that could be tried - In a very tiny way I'd like to have Morgellons, since it's a new and unique condition, and ripe for much experimentation. Luckily I don't - but I'm still fascinated.

- John

Hi John,

If you are from a scientific background then I'm sure you'll find
the subject matter stimulating to say the least. No pun intended
this time

Experience with medical professionals: I must say their reaction to this
has been much the same as mine would have been before I understood
this a little more. You look for conventional answers, things that are
familiar. When that fails or doesn't fit, so far they really haven't known
what to diagnose. I have a referral to a dermatologist which is coming
up soon and I'm also looking at private treatment.

The problem is, to the best of my knowledge, there has never really
been anything like this before with this range of symptoms and the
fibres.

Your questions John:

- Using things other than tea tree oil

Yes, the fibres emerge when using other oils (peppermint oil,
Oregano, Anise oil) and will sometimes emerge when using
Dettol. I have tried Diatomaceous earth in a pack (messy)
and that has produced a fibre from the top of my hand.

- counting the objects, then repeating at timed intervals, to see if the production rate varies over time.

When I first did this John (in my account previously) there were alot
of fibres emerging and it realy did seem like they had been building up
in my skin. They emerged from my scalp, back of my neck, arms,
legs, feet , soles of feet. They were also larger than the fibres I'm
seeing now. I did say they were predominantly blue and clear. Now
they are predominantly black and clear.

After doing a fibre 'cleanse' practically every day for the past few
months I can say that they have reduced in numbers greatly and
they are much smaller than before. This certainly gives the
impression that they are growing in my skin.

Occasionally I will get a small bunch of fibres which consist of
again black and clear fibres - please see video link below.

One alarming aspect (and I witnessed this before reading about
it anywhere else) is that certain fibers in such a bunch seem
to be attrected towards the heat of my finger or my breath when
viewed under the scope. I would be the first to say 'STATIC' but
the fibers undulate TOWARDS my breath not away.

- Spraying tea tree oil on various parts of the body to see what the production rate is.

Haven't got this detailed John. You could quite easily spend all day
every day researching and experimenting so I try and find a
balance to keep everything else moving along.

- Spraying tea tree oil on your spouse.

She is not affected.

- spraying tea tree oil on an inert object to see if anything emerges

Tried it on many things. Never saw anything emerge or get
precipatated from other objects/materials.

- going to a hotel and trying there.

Yep. Tried that. fibers emerge.

- comparing the object you find with detritus from vaious location in and out of the home to see if there is any correlation.

You will find alot of fibres in your home! I can normally tell under
the scope which are MY fibres

- performing simple experiment on the objects (do they float, do they dissolve in water, do they repel a thin film of oil on the surface of a bowl of water, do they smell, do they burn, what kind of smoke smell, can you culture them in agar, plant them in rooting gel ....).

Please see the video link below.

The fibre videos were filmed when a small fibre bunch was placed
in a very small dish about 4cm across by 2cm deep ith alcohol.
I have repeated this on differnet occasions with very similar results >
movement.

The Supernova video was taken using a very small piece of skin/tissue
from my bath. I see these often. again filmed in alcohol. A member on
this board has said that this seems to show Brownian motion.
Maybe you can help there John. I thought Brownian motion related
to much smaller objects. These are at 60x magnification.

There was no heat source in the room when this was filmed other than
that from my PC/monitor and me.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fromuk/

Hope that's answered your questions for now John.

Regards
ukguy

[Skytroll]

John Kern,

Go to http://www.lymebuster.proboard39.com/

There you will find many observations.

a feather observation:
http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde ... 1144607351

another observation:
http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde ... 1126220176

another experiment:
http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde ... 1142724031

Just a few experiments and observations;

We are in the process of documenting this.

Would you have some suggestions?

Sincerely,
Skytroll

[Linn]

I'm going to put a public notice in the local paper tomorrow. Hopefully it will be in time for this week. I will warn the population of this little town that Morgellons has arrived and the health centre will not help. I will put the MRF web address and my other email address as a contact. See if anyone else out there knows anything.

good luck Helen
I contacted so many dif media all blew me off.
but of course if you PAY for an add?
And of course when this becomes identified, they will
want to do stories, and perhaps we should blow them
off and refuse to be interviewed.

[Linn]

Who was it that said they did not know of any known organism that produces cellulose? somebody did a few pages back.

I looked at a conversation between Mary L from MRF and a Dr. Rockof http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/dermatolog ... 1706a.html

Mary provided two references:

Cellulose in human disease
http://www.botany.utexas.edu/facstaff/f ... stat39.htm

Cellulose Fibers in Scleroderma skin
http://www.botany.utexas.edu/facstaff/f ... igure5.htm


YES!!!! yes!!!

BTW here is more info for you Helen, I posted this a few months ago but thought you might want to read it: http://bama.ua.edu/~nsfpeet/
I spiders and silk worms produce fibres.

and Yes!!

they (fibers)are a product of what we have.
But I think what John may be trying to help us with is
the possibility some are from clothing, rugs things all
around
us and on us, So what I have started to do is get samples
of various materials, and measure and observe shape, color, transparancy etc
and compare with the fibers that I had from breakout areas.
I have made notes under the samples and taped them to a page.
for my journal I am putting together.
the proof is in the pudding, I need to make a list of all these web sites
for the E-book (only the edu, or GOV, research universities etc.. type references.
Regards,
Lynne

[John Kern]

UkGuy

That's a lot to digest - I applaud you for that amount of research.

The video is interesting - it's not brownian motion, that's only observable on things like smoke particles (which move after being hit by air molecules - a whole lot smaller scale). It seems like your object is breaking up and spread out, like it's effervescing.

How big is the object you are dissolving?

-john

[Linn]

OK John,
I measured the few samples I have left from two months ago
(The infect disease/ immunology doc has my good samples)

Currently, there are NO fibers.
and so rules out that they were textiles then.

they seem to average at about 1/10 centimeter
the diameter I can not measure at this time
but are much smaller than an eyelash or follicle hair.
also an eyelash hair is about 9/10 centimeter.(Long)

I also discovered that one of my samples (not a fiber)
a brown
cylinderal shape whatever the hell it is,
had prodruding from it a clear thread- like substance,
that it must
have sent forth as an effort to escape the tape before it
suffocated. I think this may be a protein like substance,
so I will have to wait until such time that it can be tested.

ukguy:Yes, the fibres emerge when using other oils (peppermint oil,
Oregano, Anise oil) and will sometimes emerge when using
Dettol. I have tried Diatomaceous earth in a pack (messy)
and that has produced a fibre from the top of my hand.

This is why I said there may be more than one type
thing going on because this treatment does not work
for me, nothing works, only white vinegar.
As far as putting stuff on the skin anyway, I have my
own treatment compiled by life long research in
Naturo pathic medicine
for other
symptoms and fighting it from within.
I have not shared that though, except to tell you all about
B vitamins and zinc.
If any one has similar symptoms to mine, you might try it,
if you have symptoms like ukguy try his treatment.

[John Kern]

OK John,

they seem to average at about 1/10 centimeter
the diameter I can not measure at this time
but are much smaller than an eyelash or follicle hair.
also an eyelash hair is about 9/10 centimeter.(Long)

Sounds like vellus hairs to me. AKA peach fuzz. You can see them growing on the back of your hand if you hold it edge on in front of the monitor. They grow pretty much everywhere, even on your knees. In non-caucasians it can be dark.

See:

http://www.dermatology.org/hairnailsmuc ... -9page.htm

- John

[John Kern]

John Kern,

Go to http://www.lymebuster.proboard39.com/

There you will find many observations.
...

With respect skytroll, there was nothing of real scientific use there. One thread encourage people to use heat guns to kill the critters, which sounds very dangerous. The other was analogising oceanic events with Morgellons, and the other on feathers I could not work out what was going on.

We need to follow the scientific method.

Observation
Hypothesis
Predictions
Experiment
Repeat

http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/ ... node6.html

Has anyone done this, and documented it?

- John.

[Linn]

Sounds like vellus hairs to me. AKA peach fuzz. You can see them growing on the back of your hand if you hold it edge on in front of the monitor. They grow pretty much everywhere, even on your knees. In non-caucasians it can be dark.

hmmm?
so am I now allergic to myself
My hairs are blond

Observation
Hypothesis
Predictions
Experiment
Repeat

posted that one already

[John Kern]

Sounds like vellus hairs to me. AKA peach fuzz. You can see them growing on the back of your hand if you hold it edge on in front of the monitor. They grow pretty much everywhere, even on your knees. In non-caucasians it can be dark.

hmmm?
so am I now allergic to myself

Maybe some kind of auto-immune thing.

How exactly do the hairs connect to your symptoms?

[Linn]

oh I got to get some zzzzs!!

How exactly do the hairs connect to your symptoms?

well, either they make me itch because I am allergic to them,
(and I have not ruled out the pos that they are external from the environment.)

Or for some reason they are in the area where I have
breakouts and itch, because they are not in area where
I have no breakouts, (as I have previously described)
so using the principle of deduction.....