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What is the most poisonous snake in da world?

King Cobra
19
16%
Sea Taipan
14
12%
Land Taipan
29
25%
Death adder
4
3%
Black Mamba
43
36%
Viper
7
6%
Pygmee
0
No votes
Diamond Back
2
2%
 
Total votes : 118

Boomslang still

Postby Chloe » Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:21 am

Hi guys,
Now you're talking! We're into DROPS. Much more refined....

The Mamba will pump an intravenous drip's worth of liquid into you, so you die without help, it stands to reason.

If you should consult a really goodly Herpatologist, and he should give you the choice of 2 drops into even a muscle.
Of all snakes of the world...
but let's stick to Taipan, Mamba and Boomslang.
2 drops you may choose from either one. I have a feeling two drops of Boomslang will be the lethal choice.

I know this for sure.
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Postby Linn » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:05 am

Too bad Boomslang is not a choice.

how soon is death from boomslang bite?
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Not so quickly funnily enough

Postby Chloe » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:21 am

LOL
Actually it's not a laughing matter.
There was a doctor who fiddled with this beautiful arborial snake and got bitten, perhaps 10 years ago or so. Must check it out.
So he got the dizzies and the antivenin and the right hospitalisation etc. Next day he walks out there, says he feels a million dollars.
Talks to a friend on the phone and confirms that he'll be catching his plane back to the the States (or some such).
Half and hour after he speaks to his friend he falls down stone dead. So turns out that this snake, while it breaks down every single red blood corpuscle also contains some kind of pain killer. When they got to the poor Doc, even his heart muscle was destroyed. THis is the honest truth.
And that was after antivenom.
No, look, I'm real frightened of that slithery dude. It's exquisitely beautiful. Has an elongated head very large eyes - does the chameleon trick with hues of green. Not a large snake.
But, if someone forced me to take 2 drops of either the Mamba or the Boomslang I would choose 2 drops of Mamba and LIVE!
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Postby Linn » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:26 pm

ya
If this "pit viper"?
boomslang bites
and you happen to survive initialy,
guess you would have to stay
in the hospital for a long time and have
hemoglobin
monitored before release.

I read it is the only genus too!
interesting snake
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Hi Linn

Postby Chloe » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:52 pm

Nope, not a pit viper - actually I see they DO call it a type of viper??? - doesn't have a diamond shaped head though, dunno if that's obligatory for vipers and adders.
Simply a tree dweller as I see it. Actually it's got that long smile that the Mamba's have
This is how I remember it as a child.

Does anyone know what the latest is on what the green mamba can do for pain. Apparently it's venom (a combined toxin) is being developed for injection into the spine of pain sufferers. The refined product then resonates directly to the relevant pain receptors and people who have suffered from pain all their lives (such as back pain) can now potentially be free of all pain forever? Only the green mamba can be used for this, thus far. Would like to know more.

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Postby David George » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:33 am

Hydrophis belcheri a sea snake which is considered the most poisonous snake.It has myotoxic venom which is about 100 times powerful as the australian Taipan's venom.Luckily it is quite a friendly snake and releases very little venom.
5 mg of boomslang venom is enough to kill a man.One single bite of a taipan can kill 100 men.
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Boomslang

Postby Chloe » Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:32 pm

hI there,
But, how much venom does the Taipan release with one bite?
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Postby David George » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:16 am

The taipan realses 60 mg of venom in a bite.
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Boomslang still

Postby Chloe » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:30 am

Hi there David.
Okay I'm no scientist, but I grew up in a Boomslang area. Look, Africa has pretty miserable toxic animals not to mention all the other wild stuff we come across here. My husband goes around giving guinee fowl mouth to mouth when he finds them in traps. The Africans caught him doing this and reprimanded him sternly for taking the food from their mouths. He says he can't help himself, however, when my Staffie caught a skunk (we have a smallish version here) and the dog was taught not to kill, he simply brought the dinkam thing into the house PROUDLY, it was simply a bit strangled but my husband declined the mouth to mouth and couldn't sleep from this cowardice. But we all ALMOST threw up. THE SMELL was worse than a boomslang's bite. The Staffordshire needed a prompt bath and for a whole day the pungent musky deathly aroma hung around.

Nuff of that.
Just know about this:
"The Boomslang is the most seriously venomous rear-fanged snake in the world. They have very long fangs (actually my dad saw that they had short little fangs VERY far back) and can open their mouths a full 180 degrees to bite. Famous herpetologist Karl P. Schmidt died 28 hours after a Boomslang bite. The day after the bite, he called in to say he felt well and would be in to work...2 hours before he literally dropped dead from the bite. Here is Green talking about some other episodes in which experienced herpetologists were lulled intocomplacency: ""Until the latter half of this century, herpetologists and physicians thought of colubrids as harmless snakes. Biologists had long known that some snakes had rear fangs, 'inferior' venom inlection mechanisms that might immobilize prey; although a few fatalities were on record, until 1957 the possibility that such snakes were deadly to humans seemed at most remote. The deaths of two prominent herpetologists from African colubrid bites changed that assessment, and recent events reveal that several other species of rear-fanged snakes have venoms that are potentially lethal to large vertebrates. "When Chicago's Lincoln Park Zoo sent a small Boomslang (Dispholidus typus) to the nearby Field Museum of Natural History for identification, the three experienced herpetologists who examined it were not especially cautious. At age sixty-eight, Karl P. Schmidt was the most senior among them, as well as one of the world's most eminent and widely liked vertebrate biologists. Having studied African snakes as a young man, Schmidt immediately recognized the juvenile snake to be a Boomslang, despite some unusual scalation, and in the course of handling it he was promptly bitten. Although only one fang penetrated his thumb, Schmidt soon experienced nausea and some internal bleeding. He felt no great cause for concern and took careful notes on the symptoms. Schmidt felt better the next morning, but by midafternoon he was dead of a brain hemorrhage and respiratory collapse. As Clifford H. Pope, Schmidt's colleague and friend, concluded in an account of the incident, 'A total lack of experience with Boomslang venom is largely to blame for the tragic events of September 25 and 26."

Still I reckon it's never been fully tested here in Africa. Our local herpotologists REALLY think its the most poisonous Sssssssssnakey in the world.
I rest my case and g'day to ya all! Always look up!
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Postby spiceweasel » Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:27 pm

wow! there is a lot of confusion on this subject-hope this clears up some points. when dealing with toxcity of venom there are four main ways of testing all involving injecting mice:

subcutaneous
intravenous
intramuscular
intraperitoneal

IV injections in bites are very rare, only large bitis or very large bothrops/crotalus can deliver intramuscular bites. The method that best emulates a human snake bite is subcutaneous.

In these statements i refer to toxcity and not venom yield a point that the black mamba fans are confusing eg. eastern brown snakes are 2.5 times more toxic than the costal tapian but the costal tapian injects 30 times more venom in a bite- up to 12 lethal doses in one bite!.


FACT: black mambas arent even in the top 20 most toxic snake venom
FACT: the most toxic is NOT a sea snake

heres the list...........

common name LD-50 (mg/kg)

1.Inland taipan(fierce snake or small-scaled snake) 0.025
2.Eastern brown snake 0.0365
3.Dubois's sea snake 0.044
4.Yellow bellied sea snake 0.067
5.Horned sea snake 0.079
6.Coastal taipan 0.106
7.banded krait 0.108
8.Black banded sea snake 0.111
9.Beaked sea snake 0.1125
10.Congo water cobra 0.12
11.Peninsula tiger snake 0.131
12.Banded water cobra 0.143
13.Saw-scaled viper 0.151
14.Olive-headed sea snake 0.193
15.Western tiger snake 0.194
16.Tiger rattlesnake 0.21
17.Mainland tiger snake 0.214
18.Elegant sea snake 0.26
19.Olive sea snake 0.264
20.Broad banded sea krait 0.273
21.Chinese cobra 0.29
22.Black mamba AT LAST!! 0.32

............I will stop now
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Postby David George » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:46 am

spiceweasel I am confused now Oxyuranus scutellatus[Coastal Taipan] has Intravenous LD-50s as 0.013 Intraperitoneal LD-50s as 0.009 but what you say has no match.
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Postby spiceweasel » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:40 am

Hi David i agree with both of your figures, forgive me for not stating that all the LD-50s i gave were the results of Sub-cutaneous injections.
As you will know Intraperitoneal and IV results are not relavant to bites inflicted on human beings.


Oxyuranus scutellatus/Oxyuranus scutellatus canni
IV 0.013
Intraperitoneal 0.009
Sub-cutaneous 0.025
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