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Survival of the loveliest?

Postby pankaaj » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:24 pm

Is love one of the mechanism of survival of fittest?


Not on large scale but on small scale.
choosing met is different thing from love I think.
If it is so.....
then phenotype of the lovable person means his or her colour, hairstyle, richness, intelligance, figure,shape of face etc. things matter. as far common man is considered.
These r the criterias.
But all things r not natural like hairstyle, figure etc. they can be induced artificially also. & cosmetics & most of the chemicals r carcinogenic leading to death.So it love?
.....a mechanism of evolution? 8)
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Postby damien james » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:31 pm

Do you mean beauty as typical phenotype being candidate for selection?
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Postby canalon » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:58 pm

If so this sound like sexual selection. An interesting thing. Where the fittest become not the most able to survive but the one who attracts the more mates, at the expense of its own survival ability sometimes.
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Postby mith » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am

Biologically speaking, there's no such thing as love. There's only a sexual drive(you could call it lust I guess) to reproduce and the followup of raising the child in some animals.
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:28 am

There is an emotional/hormonal bond that can be approximated to love, although true love itself is much deeper than mere emotions.
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Postby mith » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:58 am

Right, biological love seems to consist of rational actions designed to increase the success of the gene,specie etc...

In contrast, I've heard "real" love being described in irrational terms. One of my friends(female) said that love is when you give up everything even when you expect nothing in return. Perhaps it's never this idealistic but sometimes to some degree it is.
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:13 am

Yeah, that has a lot to do with it, and it might not be as irrational biologically as is sometimes thought. In a species that mates for life (ideally), such a bond between partners would increase their ability to both have children and raise those children, so there's a good biological motivation for it.

I don't think love can be described in words. It's an emotion, a bond, an attraction, a sacrifice, all of them at once. It's something that can only develop after considerable time and once it does it can never fully fade away. There's no such thing as "love at first sight" or "falling out of love." True love is slow to build but impossible to destroy.
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Postby Nithin » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:45 am

I think that the topic was is love a requirement for survival..
The love referred to is love alias lust.....
I agree with pankaaj that to a slight degree it is true.( how slight I dunno!!). Lets talk sense and simplicity..with an eg
The sex ratio in my city is 9:10 where the male population is low. So in a group of 19 9 will be males and 10 females. Let us assume that there are no unwilling bachelors and spinsters and 9 males marry with the 9 females; there still remains one unmarried lady...
She cant marry because no one loves her. and that is the end of her generation unless there is a divorce and remarriage or infidelity :twisted: (no offence meant)
So love is necessarily an important factor for multiplication..
In the mordern world love arises due to certain factors (maybe beauty or richness)...
But the same case is nor true for animals because infidelity and polygamy does not matter to animals.... :wink:

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Postby David George » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:04 pm

There is an hot dicussion going on.Let me tell what I think about love.Love is a character evolved during evolution and hence seen in various degrees.It increases as the organism gets complex.We can differntiate the love seen between parents and children with the love between a male and a female.The first one is for the survival of the offspring that experiences it.We can clearly see that lower organisms might not have such a bond and higher organisms do.The second one is very well seen in most species and the reason for its presence is to reproduce.The one that attracts most can pass its genes to the offspring for example Black mane in the case of lions.The is also a bond between the family,the same species.The reason for this to exist is for the species to survive.I really donot know about True Love and donot believe in such a thing.Love is something very wrongly understood by people which is seen in customs,religion,etc.
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Postby kiekyon » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:22 pm

and here's some interesting fact on love

1. serotonin level in lovers and OCD patients are similar(40% lower than normal), suggesting a similarity between falling in love and mental illness
2. freud thought that choice of lover is influenced by unrequitted wish to bed your mother/father
3. jung thought that passion is driven by some kind of collective unconciousness
4. evolutionary physiologist thought that we tend to see as attractive, and thereby choose as mate, people who look healthy
5. experiment shows that women tend to prefer the scent of man with the most different genotype from her own, therefore increasing chance of robust offsprings
6. dopamine is associated with heightened passion
7. passion usually ends in 4 years- the period of time needed to raise a child through infancy(probably as a result of our neurons being desensitized)
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Postby pankaaj » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:49 pm

The thing is I'm not interested in dedicated love.
The other love normal love u can say.
& chances that the not beautiful female can't be chosen as compared to others to be chosen.
So the beauty is giving false impresiion abt.choosing the mate or love u can say..Isn't it?
Take it with a pintch of salt!
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Postby David George » Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:00 am

Beautiful females have more chances of transfering their genes to the offspring.It is a competition between females that who will tranfer their genes to thier offsprings in this beautiful women do have a upper hand.This also applies for men.Women can also know the smell of males who can give them a perfect offspring.I think love is purely a biological concept and not a religious concept .The points given by kiekyon suggests the same.
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