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Is there no Template for genes

Postby byungminsa » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:51 pm

The human Genome project is supposedly to map out a template for the human species. However, according to the theory of evolution, there should be no such thing as a template or a Genome. Every existing organism today is nothing but a mass of random mutations and it's impossible to get a exponentionally mass amount of random mutaitons and call it a fixed template. In essence, the theory calls humans mutants and mutants don't have a fixed template. Anyone care to disagree??
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Postby MrMistery » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:13 pm

yes, i both agree and disagree... Well, mostly disagree... It is true that there are many mutations occuring constantly, but the vast majority of them are repairred by the repair systems or simply lead to non-viable embryos. Evolution does not happen from yesterday to today, it happens in thousants of years.. In 10-50 years, you can approximate the genom as stationary...
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Postby Deinonychus » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:58 am

Not only that, but the collection of mutations is far from "random," as mutations are being selected for and against all the time throughout generations.

For the most part (with some exceptions we can ignore), humans have the same set of collected "mutations" and differ by having different alleles of the same gene.
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Postby byungminsa » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:00 am

"as mutations are being selected for and against all the time throughout generations. "

selected how??
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Postby Poison » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:30 am

Some mutations are fatal, some are not and provides new genes.
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Postby MrMistery » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:40 pm

And from the ones that are not fatal, some "bad" mutations lead to infertility... So only the good and neutral ones are kept..
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Postby byungminsa » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:47 pm

so then how is it selected. The word selected means conscious action and thought. You're not a creationist are you??
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Postby canalon » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:10 pm

byungminsa wrote:so then how is it selected. The word selected means conscious action and thought. You're not a creationist are you??


No evolutionnist are also talking about selection. Isn't Darwin all about natural selection. The selction is only made through the reproductive fitness of individuals, and is blind and thoughtless. Anything that will increase an organism ability to succesfully reproduce giving a viable offspring will be selected for by natural selection.
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Postby byungminsa » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:20 pm

Well the way he used it sounded confusion, but my real point was that we are products of genetic mutations randomly. It's not like a building blueprint where someone makes it and says this is a template for all McDonalds buildings. Every organism today is a genetic mutation massively put together. So then how can they claim that there is a template for the human Genome???
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Postby canalon » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:49 pm

byungminsa wrote:Well the way he used it sounded confusion, but my real point was that we are products of genetic mutations randomly. It's not like a building blueprint where someone makes it and says this is a template for all McDonalds buildings. Every organism today is a genetic mutation massively put together. So then how can they claim that there is a template for the human Genome???


There is no real template for human genome, but since the differences between individuals are very small you can at keast make a the main structures (on chromosome 1 genes are found in this order etc...) and then most of the differences are which alleles of each genes anyone is carrying...
How much more simple than bacteria where members of the same species can have genome that have more than 20% difference in size.
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Postby MrMistery » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:26 pm

Lol... Bacteria are so complicated organisms in comparaison with humans :lol:
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