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Dr. Neculai Dulceanu

Postby Notnutz » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:08 am

A little more information concerning Dr. Dulceanu's credentials.

Dr. Dulceanu authored many books on Parasitology. One of his books was re-published in 2004, and another was more recently re-published.

Dr. Dulceanu was given the highest honor awarded The Romanian Academy Award, a once-in-a-lifetime award for a special achievement in science for his book titled Encyclopedic Dictionary of Parasitology.

Dr. Dulceanu's work, and in fact his life, speak to his devotion and dedication to the field of science, his honesty and personal integrity.

Shame on Mr. Janssens. Maybe it's all about Sour Grapes. Shoulda listened, shoulda looked, shoulda been willing to learn, shoulda buried my ego.

Sad thing is he's not alone as evidenced by the difficulty in getting the truth that Collembola and possibly other decomposers are involved in the Fiber Disease.
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Re: I am certain of nothing

Postby CliffMickelson » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:35 am

southcity wrote:I am certain of nothing concerning this illness, the collembolla theory simply does not explain all the symptoms related to it. By the way if the collembola study is correct, it should be pointed out that there still is NO current treatment options available.


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Greetings, Southcity:

You are correct. The collembolla theory does NOT explain this disease.

In fact, it does not even come close. IMO We are dealing with a unique and highly engineered creation. It is the work of genius, albeit dark or, (at best) "hijacked" genius.

I personally feel that there are less than half a dozen laboratories on the entire planet, and even fewer microbiologists and genetic engineers with the skill to even begin to assemble this "thing"

It is highly contagious and vectors itself in a variety of ingenious ways, including hitchhiking a ride on cotton products.

This thing is so bizarre that it defies description much less categorization.

However, It seems perfectly matched to the human animal. It is a designer parasite with a wide utilitarian scope. I have hundreds of files from victims on every continent on earth except Antarctic. I also have a disturbing number of files concerning infected animals.

Dogs, Horses, Pigs, and humans seem to be the primary mammalian victims. It is documented that Lizards, and Frogs are severely affected by this organism and usually die from it. I have one report of an alligator with this disease.

Some species of domestic birds also have been reported to me as infected. Chickens with this infection are reported to lose their feathers and not be able to replace them.

I have personally observed infected house flies that have been totally consumed by the creature leaving nothing but the exoskeleton and a Frankenstien-like collection of Macro-fibers extruding from them in every direction. (The macro-fibers incorporate predictable parameters of shape and form and are one of the primary stages of the organism. They should not to be confused with the white or clear colored nematomorph, [another primary form] or the inert red, blue, black, etc, colored micro-fibers that are produced in such profusion)

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The fibers

Postby bugsonthewire » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:29 pm

can anyone tell me if i were to collect fibres and take them to a dna lab could they not only isolate the DNA but identify it? also what would be the cost? And, if the same fibres were taken to a materials analyst, if it was determined they were organic, would they provide a more specific analysis? such as protein tubes, cellulose, molecular makeup etc. Does anyone have an idea of the likely cost of such a service?
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Postby tamtam » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:19 pm

Fibers are stray target of experimental biology.
In particular experimental micro biology class 3 (C3)

That cellulose type fibers move on its own is because it are micro organisms that go dormant (pseudo apoptotic) In particular micro organisms that breath and become static because of low metabolism.
During formation they show nerve cell type behavior.

Nerve cell type behavior they will show in particular when they unite as a fiber most resembling a shaft that is related to the mold of the cyanobacterium.

This dominant type gene expression in the form of a semi autonomous and sensing fiber is in fact a break away group cell.
A variant form.

Its character is inbetween plant(cellulose) and insect (chitin)cell.

Single cell micro organisms with an aquired property called quorum sensing will make the organisms act multi cellular.

Quorum sensing is a stem cell like property.
Quorum sensing micro organisms unite hence differentiate during formation of a multi cellular organism.

Hence multi lineage differentiation synonymous with stem cell.
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Fast dividing tissue forms a base(culture medium) for this organism.
This type target can only be kept alive and cultered in test animal.
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Fibers show inbetween behavior like "plant cell that think they are insect cell"

The agent its intermediate stage resembles a protoplasm.
A transparent cloud with basic properties preserved.

All elements are quorum sensing
All elements differentiate

check: chitin / cellulose wound dressing
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To Bugsonthewire

Postby Notnutz » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:23 pm

You could take the fibers you mention to your local health department, the Department of Biology at a nearby university or college, or you could send them somewhere for analysis.

If you go through the health department or a university or college you shouldn't be charged anything because you're simply asking them to identify the fibers. What are these? What is their composition? Are they wool, cotton, lycra, polyester, flax, etc.

If you go to the next level using a lab found on the web, perhaps even a lab that does forensics, you might have to pay.

I suppose it might be a good idea to ask how you want the fibers presented. Would they want them on a slide with a cover-slip, on a 3 x 5 index card with clear tape, or whatever.

Please let us know what you decide and good luck to you.
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Fiber disease

Postby Jade » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:24 pm

To Sabrina and others
I may also have this disease and know how painful and difficult this is. The last 5 weeks I have been following the advice of Dr. Schwartz in New Mexico (re Popular Mechanics article). He recommends taking Avelox and Bactrim and Biltricide. My skin is clearing up. The sensations are getting fewer. For the first time I have hope. I have tried many natural remedies copper, silver, garlic Pomegranate ... they slow things down just a bit.
A cosmetic cream for night-time wrinkles containing copper by Neutrogena helps dry the skin a bit. Alsos raw garlic and sulfur cream are good.
My GP will no longer extend my prescription so I have a problem.... If you want more details reply here. We need to keep hope alive.
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Postby Skytroll » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:07 pm

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To south City re who am I, and my agenda

Postby Michelle » Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:11 pm

<<From: southcity
To: Michelle
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:09 am
Subject: Who are are you, really
you obviously do not have this illness so what's youre true agenda here? >>


Michelle is who I really am.
My father has this disease, I have seen the collembola in his skin scrapings. I have read enough about collembola to know that they are capable of producing many of the phenomena that some ascribe to the supernatural, or aliens, etc.
It's the people who denounce the NPA findings who have a hidden agenda. They want to lead people away from the collembola diagnosis in order to protect the scientific community who have been tweaking collembola since at least the 1940's.
A question you could be asking is why, of all the naysaying entomologists in the world, not one of them has taken up the offer of being present at a skin scraping to observe the technique and to observe the findings first hand, yet they believe the disinformation campaign that was launched against the NPA before they even had a chance to publish. That is not a very scientific method of peer review if you ask me.
Franz Jaansen wants an animal produced? Tell him to come up with the a prion that causes BSE(mad cow disease), yet nobody doubts they exist.
Tell him to find the head of the tick that causes lyme, because lyme is diagnosed without ever producing said head.
By his reasoning BSE and Lyme disease do not exist.
The images shown by the NPA were identified as arthropod by the entomologist involved and they're size and configuration matches up only with collembola.
The doubt that is being planted in the minds of sufferers only causes them more grief and false hope that'll they be diagnosed with some bizarre or alien disease that'll get them on the front page of the National Enquirer, I guess because that's the reading level that they're working at.
I have no connection to the NPA other than the diagnosis that my father got from his doctor using the NPA methods, which has made it possible for him to go from a body covered in lesions from neck to foot, down to a very small number of lesions remaining on one leg.
Others who prefer to sit and wait for some answer derived from a Star Trek episode are only wasting their valuable time in fighting against this known parasite. Ultimately this wasted time jeopardizes their chances of recovery.
Don't look for a hidden agenda, my agenda is not hidden. I'm here to make sure that unsubstantiated statements about the NPA and about collembola are refuted and I don't have to be diplomatic in my responses because I'm doing this totally independently without direction nor remuneration from anyone. By the way, who do you take your instructions from?
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Michelle - please share your conclusive information

Postby curiousmorgs » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:15 am

Michelle: First let me say that I am glad that your father found relief, and hopefully he is on the road to recovery.

Next, as a sufferer myself, who is not taking instructions from anyone, I question 'your' motive here as well. Are you trying to impede progress for those of us who ACTUALLY have all of the other symptoms?

This is not Star Trek, just simple facts and reports of my own findings. If it seems a little far-fetched, then I need to ask you to look back at the perceptions of others when you and your father first approached the medical profession for help. If nothing else, the work of the NPA and your father have furthered this cause along - then at least we are starting from the grounds of 'collembola infestation possible' instead of 'not possible'.


What I would like to know is what happens when your father goes off of his medications. Do his symptoms return? Does he have any of the other symptoms? I have been looking (as I have been for months) and I don't see a treatment protocol from the NPA, or from Morgellon's, but I do indeed see the skin study. Is there information that is not being shared with us.....What is your father taking? I personally have been inundated by people with a 'cure' that a)doesn't work b)doesn't work c)doesn't work, and by dr's who profess that collembola is it, then that it's an amoeba found in french spring water, and it keeps changing to the vector du jour.

If the NPA has completely and conclusively found a treatment, then they would be reciprocal with the research foundation and provide that information to them. I have looked at every known parasitic infestation, and I don't see anything that sums up the entirety of this disease.

If there is documentation that proves that collembola infestation is responsible for the many medical manifestations that I personally have seen over a 3 month period, or that explains MORGELLONS, then please share that information with us. That information has not been provided to those of us who ARE INDEED registered with Morgellon's Research Foundation.

Please share your extensive knowledge about these aspects of Morgellon's/Fiber Disease with those who haven't gotten that conclusive information. I would dearly love to treat my 5 year old son, and myself, and my close circle of friends that have this nightmare...

Sincerely,
Chris - aka Southern Drawl
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Reading these posts

Postby Notnutz » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:32 am

Lots of good information contained in these posts, good questions raised too.

To Southern Drawl, Michelle isn't trying to impede progress at all. She's stating what she knows and her dad's a lucky man to have such a devoted daughter. Great to hear he is so improved.

I have no idea what medications or "home cures" he's tried, but if he's like most of us he's tried most everything he could get his hands on.

Why do so many improve on various antibiotics then relapse when they stop taking them? If people have Collembola in their skin and given the Collembola molt about every four days emptying the contents of their gut including poop into their skin, is it just a vicious cycle that will continue endlessly? If there's fungus present, and we know the Collembola also carry various species of fungus then wouldn't the antibiotics be counterproductive? I don't know the answers, I'm just asking the questions and yes, I improved greatly thanks to various abx, but don't want to take them for the rest of my life.


What's it going to take to kill the Collembola? Many folks have taken Ivermectin and found it helpful, and some have taken Ivermectin along with abx and possibly antifungals as well.

No, you don't see a treatment protocol by the NPA or Morgellons. They're not physicians and can't prescribe.

Had to laugh at your "inundated by people with a 'cure' that doesn't work"....hello! Welcome to the club, yet I am sure some of those people mean well and are merely trying to be helpful. Notice I said some of those people. Websites are springing up at a truly alarming rate with the owners making all kinds of promises they can't possibly fulfill. Someone I know did a little sleuthing one night and came up with a big string of sites insisting their product or products will cure us.

For most of us it's simply a matter of finding a combination of this and that to provide a level of comfort that we can live with, and hoping those who are genuinely trying to help are successful and soon.

Nice to see you here, Southern Drawl. So sorry for your suffering and that of your five year old. It's particularly sad to know another child has these symptoms.
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Fiber Identification

Postby Notnutz » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:50 pm

You're calling textile fibers variant?

Do you have this disease?

If so, have you had the fibers identified?

We're talking MACROSCOPIC fibers along with other debris found in skin lesions. Not ON!! IN!

They didn't appear there by accident.
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Re: southerdrawl - long post

Postby Michelle » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:09 am

curiousmorgs wrote:Michelle: First let me say that I am glad that your father found relief, and hopefully he is on the road to recovery.

Next, as a sufferer myself, who is not taking instructions from anyone, I question 'your' motive here as well. Are you trying to impede progress for those of us who ACTUALLY have all of the other symptoms?

This is not Star Trek, just simple facts and reports of my own findings. If it seems a little far-fetched, then I need to ask you to look back at the perceptions of others when you and your father first approached the medical profession for help. If nothing else, the work of the NPA and your father have furthered this cause along - then at least we are starting from the grounds of 'collembola infestation possible' instead of 'not possible'.


What I would like to know is what happens when your father goes off of his medications. Do his symptoms return? Does he have any of the other symptoms? I have been looking (as I have been for months) and I don't see a treatment protocol from the NPA, or from Morgellon's, but I do indeed see the skin study. Is there information that is not being shared with us.....What is your father taking? I personally have been inundated by people with a 'cure' that a)doesn't work b)doesn't work c)doesn't work, and by dr's who profess that collembola is it, then that it's an amoeba found in french spring water, and it keeps changing to the vector du jour.

If the NPA has completely and conclusively found a treatment, then they would be reciprocal with the research foundation and provide that information to them. I have looked at every known parasitic infestation, and I don't see anything that sums up the entirety of this disease.

If there is documentation that proves that collembola infestation is responsible for the many medical manifestations that I personally have seen over a 3 month period, or that explains MORGELLONS, then please share that information with us. That information has not been provided to those of us who ARE INDEED registered with Morgellon's Research Foundation.

Please share your extensive knowledge about these aspects of Morgellon's/Fiber Disease with those who haven't gotten that conclusive information. I would dearly love to treat my 5 year old son, and myself, and my close circle of friends that have this nightmare...

Sincerely,
Chris - aka Southern Drawl


My father was initially a “morgellons” registrant, his symptoms matched the symptoms listed on the “morgellons” site, his symptoms also match those listed at the NUSPA site, and his symptoms matched those listed in the NPA study. As well, his symptoms matched those listed on various medical sites under Delusional Parasitosis: They are all the same condition.

If I was really interested in impeding other sufferers progress, then I would make unsubstantiated comments such as these: “Collembola is not the problem here” or “Collembola don’t have biting mouthparts"(btw show ma a bacteria or fungus that do have biting mouthparts) and "they can’t breathe under the skin” or “digital imaging is a ‘no-no’ ” and “this is a co-infection of Lyme disease” or...and this one of my favorites....“They only found EVIDENCE of collembola” ---If I really wanted to impede other sufferers progress then I would not include the NPA in any media events I had arranged. when one of the reporters discovered that the NPA has already done a study on this disease. This would be especially true if the report happened to be in Jacksonville. (WTEV-CBS)….Then I’d probably hope that the reporter got reassigned and demoted for trying to clarify the issue….so ask yourself “who would do these things?” cuz they are the ones trying to impede progress and information flow. If my singular presentation of the known facts about this disease impedes progress, against the weight of almost everyone else on these message boards, then may I suggest that their cases must be weak.

If you decide to read up on collembola , then you find out that some do have mouthparts, as well, some species have a styletlike mouthparts, and that collembola have been found to live up to 18 hrs in anaerobic conditions. They also tend to build up a tolerance, or immunity to various pesticides and insecticides. And you’d find out that their eggs lay dormant for long periods of time and hatch when their environments become more hospitable. Among other things you’d probably discover that collembola carry and vector a variety of bacteria (and one fungus) such as Stenotrophomas Maltophilia, and Wolbachia—which incidentally is now known to be the actual cause of Filarial disease (rather than the nematodes that carry it).

Digital imaging has become state of the art in identifying breast cancer in some groups of women because it allows for a more thorough analysis of mammograms. Since this is the exact same technology that the NPA used it stands to reason that they would also be more effective in skin scrapings as well.

Many people have been treated for lyme disease yet they still have this skin condition. My father was treated with powerful antibiotics prescribed by a lyme-doc for almost a year, even though the doctor told him it wasn’t lyme (he believed my father had some sort of serious infection). The antibiotics helped to clear some lesions but eventually stopped working and did not come close to curing him.

Treatment options and responsibilities lie with the medical community(unfortunately), but they need to acknowledge the fact that this is happening. The NPA is working tirelessly to generate awareness about this skin condition in the medical and scientifically communities.--- They have already gone beyond their organization's mandate by coordinating and participating in the Oklahoma study and by giving the sufferers a tool to fight the “delusional” diagnosis. Why not try and support them?

My father’s treatment regimen, as prescribed by his doctor, consists of diet, naturopathic antiparasitics and remedies, and creating a barrier between himself and whatever instar stage of collembola that happens to fall off of him and into his environment—in other words, get them off and keep them off.

Southerndrawl, I'm sorry that you and your son and friends have this.....you have many people in your family and circle of friends who have this, and if you guys live in reasonably close proximity, then you may have a decent chance in finding an open-minded doctor or naturopath who would be willing to do the scrapings and consult with the NPA.
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