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Postby MichaelXY » Sun May 04, 2008 4:22 am

lol
Talk about being sexually frustrated.
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Re: Instinct- the mechanism

Postby AstusAleator » Sun May 04, 2008 4:47 am

wow :shock:
Poor seal just wants some love...

Anyhooo, I think that for a study of instinct, we should try to narrow our focus down to simpler organisms than humans or other mammals.

PS: Way to go alex.
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Postby alextemplet » Sun May 04, 2008 4:57 pm

I disagree. I think there would be very little of interest when studying instinct in simpler organisms that are without doubt controlled almost entirely by their genes. I think it would be much more interesting to study how genetic programming interacts with conditioning to learn the nature of instinct in more advanced organisms. After all, such study could help us understand ourselves a lot better.
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Postby AstusAleator » Sun May 04, 2008 6:39 pm

That's all well and good, for your doctoral thesis :) The level we're working at here a bio-online probably won't allow for much more than speculation (or perhaps some research) and little conclusion.

If we want results, simpler is better. I will admit that once you get to a certain level of simplicity, almost every action could be deemed instinct. If we could find an organism somewhere in the middle, with discernable instinctual behaviors as well as learned and conditioned, we could learn more about each of those things. Michael originally used a lizard for an example. That's not a bad compromise.

I've certainly witnessed learning and behavior modification in lizards. And there's no doubt that they operate to a degree on instinct.
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Postby alextemplet » Sun May 04, 2008 10:36 pm

Now that you mention it, that is a really good idea for my doctoral thesis! Of course I have to deal with this little issue called a BS (pun intended :)) first . . .

You're right that on this forum we probably won't reach many conclusions, but I think we must keep in mind the purpose and value of this forum. I don't think anyone is here for serious scientific discoveries; rather, I use this forum more to discuss certain ideas, share opinions, and get tips on where to go for more detailed research. If we consider our discussions in those terms, I think this forum is a very good place to be.
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Postby joemasters » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:06 am

I have been looking into pheromones ever since I heard about them in the 90's (in the back of a very sketchy magazine mind you). At the time, research was quite flimsy and perhaps overstated significantly in order to try and sell pheromone products to people who wanted... well, you know. Since then there seems to have been a lot of development in this field, and there are a lot of -androstenes (a chain of testosterone) which seem to have effects in social behavior in humans.

There is also a lot of discussion about whether these types of anecdotal reports are valid, but there are reputable sources that claim pheromones such as androstenol, androstenone, androstadienone have observable physiological/social effects.

Sources:
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles. ... heromones/
http://houseofpheromones.com/human-pher ... molecules/
http://www.lifehack.org/522654/pheromon ... attraction
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Re: Instinct- the mechanism

Postby Inyati » Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Instinct is inheritable behavior. A heifer has a calf, her dam did not teach her to lick the calf, nuzzle it toward her udder and stand patiently while it nurses and receives the precious Colostrum. I raise Registered Simmental Breedstock. I frequently ponder the instincts these big bovines employ to perpetuate their kind. What amazes me more is their non-instinctive behavior. The biological sciences has some work to do to explain some of the amazing behavior I see everyday. These animals have more going on in that brain than we understand.
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