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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby christianstrategies » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:36 pm

I have some solids arguments against darwinism, despite the truth of the experimental facts:

    MUTANT BACTERIAS/VIRUS PROOF THE FALSEHOOD OF (THE CONCLUSIONS) OF EVOLUTIONISM

  • Assuming that the AIDS virus takes 2 hours to reproduce himself in a chronic patient during 20 years we have about 90.000 generations of the very mutant and dynamic virus... calculus: 12 generations/day x 365 days x 21 years
    30.000 generations by the human specie, with a very lower rate of mutations per generation compared with microbes, gives 750.000 years, with about 25 years per generation... According to the science, the human specie changed every 700.000 years... and with a very lower mutation rate per generation (!) So, all (dynamic/ mutant) bacteria and virus must change of specie after 30.000 generations! Why? Because humans do it and with a very lower mutation rate per generation... but this change of specie by the microbes almost doesn't happen in the nature after 30.000 generations... the case of the AIDS virus is more flagrant: it mutates enormously, it generates 90.000 generations (enough to 2 million years by humans) and it doesn't change of specie...
    So we're being misled by the science in what concerns evolutionism and dates of the beginning of the creation...
  • genetics already say that the mankind derives from a common root: an Adam and an Eve
  • the chemical composition of the dust and the man is the same: just to remember, the man, when he dies, he becomes again dust (fertile ground)...
  • studying the fossils of the hominids, we conclude that are broken links that cause problems to the continuous evolution theory. If, indeed, God created the different species discretly, one after the other, (at least some of) these missing fossils will never appear, simply because they do not exist.

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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby christianstrategies » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:45 pm

CONCERNING DATES AND EVOLUTION

  • an evolutionist can not make evolve a common ancestor of the man (e.g. Australopithecus) into an homo sapiens sapiens in a hazardous, continuous and natural way. The usual answer is : "this process takes millions of years". But in that case, they can not proof; instead, they believe without proofs...

  • According to a private message of Jesus, mankind exists only since about 6.000 years ago. So, any dating before the flood is not credible, despite the rigor of the scientific methods. Remember that such datings are logical calculus, and as such, they may be... false... What really happened: ancient dates = f(6days)+f (6000years). For ex. C14 could have changed a lot during the 6 days of the creation and take its normal changing speed during the remaining 6.000 years. The same is valid for the remaining dating procedures (speed of the stars etc.). That's why present scientifical datings are completely wrong: they forgot 6.000 years ago, during the 6-days creation procedure, the dating elements changed a lot...

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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby JackBean » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:00 pm

christianstrategies wrote:
    MUTANT BACTERIAS/VIRUS PROOF THE FALSEHOOD OF (THE CONCLUSIONS) OF EVOLUTIONISM

  • Assuming that the AIDS virus takes 2 hours to reproduce himself in a chronic patient during 20 years we have about 90.000 generations of the very mutant and dynamic virus... calculus: 12 generations/day x 365 days x 21 years
    30.000 generations by the human specie, with a very lower rate of mutations per generation compared with microbes, gives 750.000 years, with about 25 years per generation... According to the science, the human specie changed every 700.000 years... and with a very lower mutation rate per generation (!) So, all (dynamic/ mutant) bacteria and virus must change of specie after 30.000 generations! Why? Because humans do it and with a very lower mutation rate per generation... but this change of specie by the microbes almost doesn't happen in the nature after 30.000 generations... the case of the AIDS virus is more flagrant: it mutates enormously, it generates 90.000 generations (enough to 2 million years by humans) and it doesn't change of specie...
    So we're being misled by the science in what concerns evolutionism and dates of the beginning of the creation...

what's this for calculations?
who's saying, that humans are changing every 700 000 years? :roll:

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  • the chemical composition of the dust and the man is the same: just to remember, the man, when he dies, he becomes again dust (fertile ground)...

so? What should that proof? Only that humankind is not something special as it should be, if God created us as himself.

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  • studying the fossils of the hominids, we conclude that are broken links that cause problems to the continuous evolution theory. If, indeed, God created the different species discretly, one after the other, (at least some of) these missing fossils will never appear, simply because they do not exist.

really? I thought that God created everything in 6 days.
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Postby christianstrategies » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:10 pm

JackBean wrote:
"what's this for calculations?
who's saying, that humans are changing every 700 000 years?"


Well, according to scientifical theories, yes we do: From australophytecus, Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus, Homo from Neanderthal, Homo Cro Magnon, we have changes of species every 500.000 years... the scientifical dates before the flood are false, of course, but science use them in their evolution theories...

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"studying the fossils of the hominids, we conclude that are broken links that cause problems to the continuous evolution theory. If, indeed, God created the different species discretly, one after the other, (at least some of) these missing fossils will never appear, simply because they do not exist."

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"really? I thought that God created everything in 6 days."


Answer: I really do believe in the 6 days theory. Anyhow if God created all species one after the other or simultaneously during the 6 day period is not relevant for me.

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Postby christianstrategies » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:47 pm

christianstrategies wrote:

the chemical composition of the dust and the man is the same: just to remember, the man, when he dies, he becomes again dust (fertile ground)...


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so? What should that proof? Only that humankind is not something special as it should be, if God created us as himself.


Answer: MIRACLES DO EXIST: AS SUCH, ADAM COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED FROM THE CLAY OF THE GROUND

  • The chemical composition of man and the dust is the same... man, when he dies, he becomes again fertile ground... as such, he can also be created from the clay of the ground by God, through a miracle or similar procedure...

  • miracles do exist: we have a few proofs of public and permanent miracles: the incorruptible bodies of some saints, which even smell parfum, under the normal (non) conservation procedures... normally such corpses putrify, e.g. Muhammad, but the corpses of holy persons like Bernadette of Lourdes of Jacinta of Fatima, they don't... the same for the Holy Blood of Jesus exposed in the chapel of the Holy Blood in Bruges, Flanders
  • As we know, Energy= matter + antimatter or (the normal procedure), E= mc^2. Other ways to convert energy or matter into new matter: nuclear and chemical reactions. With a similar technic, God could have created Adam from the clay of the ground... with these formulas we're able to explain the material miracles

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Postby JackBean » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:22 pm

Of course we are from the same compounds, since we eat animals, which feed on plants which grow on ground.

The miracle would be, if we were from something else.
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby Semisane » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:40 pm

christianstrategies wrote:CONCERNING DATES AND EVOLUTION
  • According to a private message of Jesus, mankind exists only since about 6.000 years ago. So, any dating before the flood is not credible, despite the rigor of the scientific methods. Remember that such datings are logical calculus, and as such, they may be... false... What really happened: ancient dates = f(6days)+f (6000years). For ex. C14 could have changed a lot during the 6 days of the creation and take its normal changing speed during the remaining 6.000 years. The same is valid for the remaining dating procedures (speed of the stars etc.). That's why present scientifical datings are completely wrong: they forgot 6.000 years ago, during the 6-days creation procedure, the dating elements changed a lot...

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What a nonsense, this is totally unsubstantiated by any evidence by any standard what so ever. You are making incredible claims here and therefor need incredible evidence to support is. (Because that is what science actually requires)

I am curious how you are going to do that. (And I am talking about scientific evidence to be very clear about the subject)

Apart from that, what is this private message of Jesus that the Earth is 6000 years old? It is sure not in the Bible. The Bible actually never speaks of the age of the Earth. The popular idea of 6000 years came from the Archbishop Ussher who lived in the 16th/17th century and that is done by adding up whatever-mention-of-periods-of-years from the Bible. Nothing about any of the main characters, including Jesus, even suggesting or hinting about the age of the Earth.

And as a side note, thinking the age of the Earth is several thousand years old, instead of the 4.6 billion years puts you off by a factor of about a million, which is -to use Richard Dawkins words- not a trivial error.
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Postby christianstrategies » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:12 pm

JESUS EXPLAINS THE HOMINIDS

According to a private message of Jesus, the hominids are the product of the sexual intercourse between one human and one beast (kind of monkey or gorilla, I suppose). Thus, they existed about 6.500 and 4300 years ago, since Jesus confirms the Bible saying that mankind exists only since ~6.000 years ago. By the time, the sin of bestiality was so big that they corrupted the earth (Genesis says mankind was corrupted, but doesn't give details...). God finished to send they flood, and, of course, the hominids didn't get in the ark... so they were extinguished.

I think the dinossaurs and mamouths extinguished for similar reasons (they didn't enter in the Noah's ark...). Anyhow, it won't be difficult to unmask the stories of the modern, "very intelligent" man who "loved" the caves during 60.000 years or the theory of the "selective asteroid" who only killed dinossaurs and left elephants and big snakes alive... sources: christianstrategies
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Re: Any SOLID arguments against evolution?

Postby christianstrategies » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:40 pm

Semisane wrote:
christianstrategies wrote:CONCERNING DATES AND EVOLUTION
  • According to a private message of Jesus, mankind exists only since about 6.000 years ago. So, any dating before the flood is not credible, despite the rigor of the scientific methods. Remember that such datings are logical calculus, and as such, they may be... false... What really happened: ancient dates = f(6days)+f (6000years). For ex. C14 could have changed a lot during the 6 days of the creation and take its normal changing speed during the remaining 6.000 years. The same is valid for the remaining dating procedures (speed of the stars etc.). That's why present scientifical datings are completely wrong: they forgot 6.000 years ago, during the 6-days creation procedure, the dating elements changed a lot...

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What a nonsense, this is totally unsubstantiated by any evidence by any standard what so ever. You are making incredible claims here and therefor need incredible evidence to support is. (Because that is what science actually requires)

I am curious how you are going to do that. (And I am talking about scientific evidence to be very clear about the subject)

Apart from that, what is this private message of Jesus that the Earth is 6000 years old? It is sure not in the Bible. The Bible actually never speaks of the age of the Earth. The popular idea of 6000 years came from the Archbishop Ussher who lived in the 16th/17th century and that is done by adding up whatever-mention-of-periods-of-years from the Bible. Nothing about any of the main characters, including Jesus, even suggesting or hinting about the age of the Earth.

And as a side note, thinking the age of the Earth is several thousand years old, instead of the 4.6 billion years puts you off by a factor of about a million, which is -to use Richard Dawkins words- not a trivial error.


Hello Sesamine,

1. Age of Earth: watch out: Jesus didn't say that the Earth is 6.000 years old. Instead, he says that mankind is about 6.000 years old. That confirms the Bible. Also, if we read carefully the creation recite, Gen 1, we understand that "the heavens and the earth" existed before the 6 days, but the earth was empty, because the creation procedure didn't have started yet...

2. Very ancient scientifical dates: I'm not able to proof it, but remember that ancient scientifical datings are also no proofs/facts (while mutations and fossiles are). A scientifical date is a "number", a conclusion based on a logical reasoning and not a proof. Logic reasoning is not always true. Indeed one fact to be true doesn't have to be logical (e.g. public miracles: the uncorruptible corpse of St. Bernardette of Lourdes smells parfum and doesn't perish as it should), but has to be coherent with reality. The corpse of Bernardette defies all scientifical logic, but its existence is coherent with reality (we have even photos). The scientifical dates are not coherent with reality: where's the time machine to check this coherency with reality?

3. Old dates= function(6days)+function(6000 years). Scientifics discard that events could have happened completely different during the 6 days period. For the speed of the stars, we have already a little proof, that the speed is not limited to the speed of the light. The neutrino's if energized enough can travel at speeds higher than the speed of the light. Sources: wikipedia, christianstrategies. So, during the first 6 days, when the Big Bang occurred, God could have moved the galaxies at enourmous speeds, and afterwards, they move with their normal speed, the speed of the light. That's why I contest all very old scientifical dates. Note: I have also a scientifical background, and I defend the science in other domains... Our Lady in NY made declarations that make me conclude the existence of teleportation (the paradise lays after the farthest star in the Universe 3D... source: tldm)

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Postby JackBean » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:38 am

I see you can be very flexible and up-to-date, if you need to, don't you? The speed of neutrinos has not been confirmed yet, to my knowledge, but it fits your theory, so why not to use it, right?
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Postby christianstrategies » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:35 pm

JackBean wrote:I see you can be very flexible and up-to-date, if you need to, don't you? The speed of neutrinos has not been confirmed yet, to my knowledge, but it fits your theory, so why not to use it, right?


Please refer tohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly. Of course these results are disputed, because they challenge the Big Bang and all before the flood swelled dates.
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Postby JackBean » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:07 pm

LOL, this has nothing to do with Big Bang or flood, but with theory of relativity. And it's not disputed, because scientists wanted to shut up someone saying something else, but because they must be 100% sure, before they will knock down our current knowledge. That doesn't mean it cannot happend, but it didn't yet.
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