Why are flowers "beautiful"?

by **Crucible** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:48 am

JackBean wrote:Sorry, I don't understand.

When did salt evolve, Jack ? I think we can take as a given that we have saltiness detectors which came after salt.

by **JackBean** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:21 am

Salt did evolve? Interesting.

Exactly, first was the salt, then the receptors and then some of our ancestors started to perceive it as salty.

by **Crucible** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:20 am

JackBean wrote:Salt did evolve? Interesting.

Exactly, first was the salt, then the receptors and then some of our ancestors started to perceive it as salty.

Perceive what, as "salty" ? Perceive salt as "salty" ?

by **JackBean** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:09 pm

no, sugar

by **Crucible** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:26 pm

Was it an English-speaking ancestor ? Did he take a grain of it ?

by **Crucible** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:50 am

For explanations, saltiness is better than sweetness because it has the same word for the sensation as for the sensed item.

The magic goes away when it's just sensation of a relative concentration of salt.
As well, when we are talking about biological items, then we have "the tango " or "the arms race" or whatever term to describe two competing entities. With NaCl salt, we can assume it was there first, and is not changing along with the life forms, as they hunt salt down, and use it.

by **wpseofriendly** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:27 pm

Flowers are beautiful for some and maybe not for other, it's all based on personal perspective. It probably has something to do with color variety.

by **JackBean** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:02 pm

so you're arguing just about the word salt or what?

by **Crucible** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:22 am

JackBean wrote:so you're arguing just about the word salt or what?

No, it doesn't matter which language or what word - but If the word mirrors the substance, all the better. It's simpler to get at what you're thinking.
I'm exploring your concept.

So this ancestor, it is a human with language capabilities, or not ?

by **JackBean** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:26 am

sorry, but I'm really lost now, where are we :lol:

OK, so we agreed, that first was salt or sugar, which were perceived by receptors, right? Since even bacteria usually need these substances, they were going for environment with high level of sugar (probably not that much salt, at least not NaCl).

by **Crucible** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:39 am

We've agreed that the receptors became existent in our lineage. IF you claim that the receptors, at some point, were also capable of distinguishing at least relative or threshold levels or concentrations, of the substance , I'll accept that.

by **JackBean** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:45 am

yes, probably. Otherwise the ancestor wouldn't get sugar, right?
So, we have ancestor, who's perceiving sweetness and probably likes it, because it's essential, right? So what more do we want?

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