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Re: Irrefutable Facts Against Evolution

Postby JackBean » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:25 pm

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Re: Irrefutable Facts Against Evolution

Postby Tomn » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:56 pm

Please excuse my absence. I had a overload of studying, and thus I had to divert my time unto those things. This might happen in the future, and I will respond as much as I can. Now . . .


1) Its not that nuclear fusion is complicated. Its not that I dont understand nuclear fusion. I will re-explain the argument with some additives: There is a force called nuclear forces. When protons are a few micrometers apart, they stick to each other. Protons, other than nuclear forces, bounce off of each other and do not join together in the environment outside of stars. So the pointed question that neither evolution nor big bang can explain is how did, if nuclear forces cannot be established, outside of stars, then how did anything with atomic number of 2 or more form? The answer I hear is that stars release these elements. However, stars use both hydrogen and helium in their reactions. Helium has 2 protons. Therefore, it would have had to form before stars did. How did higher elements form?

Big bang explains this in an invalid way by saying that nothing took itself and turned itself into something. This is neither viable not sensible. Also, this is proven by the radiation that is in granite

2) The 1% population growth has been observed throughout history. Even today, the population growth is 1.25%.

There are not my numbers. Let me explain again. Population statistics is an OBSERVED science, not conjecture. It is an APPLIED science, a science of numbers that can be applied and observed in the population of the world. The science of populations statistics sais, not I say, not creationists say, the science sais that these several rules apply to the growth of the population in the world:
1-a historical growth rate of 1%
2-1/3 of the population dies every 82 years from disease, war, natural deaths, etc.
3-ALL humans procreates by sexual reproduction
I did not personally perform the calculations. However, when this is applied to 2 modern day humans that "appeared" 40,000 (41,000 years was used), with 1% growth and 1/3 dies every 82 years, then this leads to a population of 2x10^89. Or, basically, when this rule is applied for 41,000 years, which is the supposed appearance of the modern man, then today's population should be 2x10^89.
Again, the source is http://184.154.224.5/~creatio1/index.ph ... view&id=36
This is the argument from the site:
"4. Population Statistics...World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 10^89. The universe does not have space to hold so many bodies."

And the site's source (pasted from site) 9 See Morris, Henry, Scientific Creationism (El Cajon, CA: Master Books)

However, I will begin applying some calculations and tell you my results. I think we will both find them interesting. I think that the calculations will be very long and require explanation, and could take on a conversation all its own. I will post it in a new thread when I finish.

3) I do not know about protein kinesis, buddings of golgi apparatus, and the issue of golgi transporting lysosomal enzymes. I would appreciate if you could elaborate on this.

4) The source for this statistic is
http://184.154.224.5/~creatio1/index.ph ... view&id=36
And his source is Mastropaolo, Joseph, "Evolution Is Biologically Impossible," Impact # 317 (El Cajon, CA: Institute For Creation Research,1999) p. 4
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Postby Tomn » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:44 pm

I was hoping this page would generate more debate considering its provoking title. Also, I use simple facts that anyone can debate. However, it has been a week, and these facts are still upheld.

I wish to have more debate in the subject.

Also, I have not had any time in the recent days to perform those population statistics calculations. However, I have made some previous progress and I am continuing to work towards completing them.

Thank you.
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Postby Gavin » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:36 pm

Tomn wrote:I was hoping this page would generate more debate considering its provoking title.


This is a science forum. People come here to ask questions or to discuss scientific ideas. We easily tire of trying to deal with unabashed ignorance and idolatry. Sorry, but we cannot take you seriously.
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Postby Tomn » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:15 am

Since this level that I am on is so full of "unabashed ignorance and idolatry", you pick the topic. Pick the subject within evolution which shows proof for the theory, post the thread, and I will debate you there.
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Re: Irrefutable Facts Against Evolution

Postby Gavin » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:24 am

Tomm: You cannot distinguish between fact and fiction, do not listen to reason, and have a closed mind. These traits do not go far in science. The internet has no lack of forums that would be a better fit for you. This is a science forum, and you are not a scientist and are not interested in science. You do not belong here. I don't want to be rude, but if you think you can convince anyone that the presentation of your beliefs can refute the wealth of scientific evidence, you are mistaken. So please, do yourself and us a favour, and either acquire some education or take your beliefs elsewhere.
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Postby Tomn » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:10 am

You would think that if your theory was so proven, and there was so much evidence, you would debate the facts I have presented instead of an attempt to belittle me, my opinion, my intelligence, and to shut down the debate.

My challenge still stands. You know the evidence which is proof for your theory. Make the thread or threads. We can even take it one topic at a time.
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Postby Tomn » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:13 am

I talk to my dad frequently on these things, and he has told me to say this on his own accord:
"As a former evolutionist, I can see you are doing the very same thing that I did, which is running from the facts and not facing the truth. I challenge you to debate any evolutionary science any time."
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Re: Irrefutable Facts Against Evolution

Postby Gavin » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:15 am

Tomm: Don't confuse stupidity with ignorance. Stupidity means lack of intelligence. Ignorance means lack of knowledge. There are plenty of intelligent people who are ignorant about something or other. I, for example, am a complete ignoramus about anything that has to do with money. Lack of interest, I suppose. I have no idea how stupid or intelligent you are. All I know is that you are lacking in scientific education and the ability to think for yourself. No one has proof of anything outside of mathematics, only evidence in support of something or another. Science is about evidence. You just do not belong here. Sorry.
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Postby Tomn » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:46 am

I do have evidence against evolution, and it is there in this thread.

This I have heard from other people about evolutionists, and now I have experienced it for myself: evolutionists try to shut down the debate. You still try to say I dont belong here.

You are still trying to insult my scientific knowledge. If the scientific knowledge I have is so low, and you are so educated in terms of science, debate the facts.

You say that "No one has proof of anything outside of mathematics, only evidence in support of something or another. Science is about evidence." Population statistics heavily involves math. The number of 2x10^89 is the result of the mathematic simulation of population growth. Yet when I talk about population statistics and use it to disprove evolution, its wrong.

If I can recall correctly, the purpose of this forum is to debate facts. You still have not presented not one piece of scientific evidence for evolution and for debate.

Who is the true ignoramus here?

And what qualifies you to be here?

My offer still stands, and so does my fathers. Debate the facts bro. Your thread. Your "evidence". If you have it, present it. If it is so solid and viable, put it up on a thread.
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Re: Irrefutable Facts Against Evolution

Postby Gavin » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:50 am

Here's a rock. I think I'll just bash my head against it.
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Postby Tomn » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:57 am

Go ahead and bash your head bro.

Still not evidence.
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