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Human Inferiority

Postby zachariah34 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:43 pm

Isn't it pathetic how stupid and inferior people are compared to the animal kingdom. I seriously want to talk about this. People believe they are smarter than most animals even though they have no idea how to survive without the assistance of modern technology and other human beings. We are a pathetically dependant species that will most likely not even survive past this century. We actually know that we are killing ourselves through pollution, but we continue to do it anyways. Please discuss this.
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Postby Darby » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:06 pm

Technology and cooperative defense are part of our biological nature. To criticize us for group dependency is to criticize ants, or termites, or Volvox.

I agree that the typical feeling of "dominion" people have is idiotic, but let's see a more legitimate treatment. You were getting there in your last statement.
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Postby zachariah34 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:36 pm

You make an excellent point. However, ants and termites do not create their own imaginary ideas and form that illusion into reality. Humans have came up with the concept of mathematics and now use it to explain nearly all forms of science. However, mathematics is just based on the imaginary numbers that were invented by people thousands of years ago. It has no true meaning. If you were to raise a child but not teach to them anything that involves mathematics and ask them when they are grown up what is the number 1, they will have no idea what you are talking about. We attempt to understand how and why things work and often believe the explanations to the point that they become reality to us. However, this is never true. Things can never trully be understood and attempting to do so is pure stupidity. And yet, we keep trying so proving our inferiority to just acept things as they are continue on with life like the rest of the world does.
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Re: Human Inferiority

Postby skeptic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:00 am

I totally disagree about human inferiority. Rather, we are the 'most superior' mammal ever to have evolved. Humans are the only mammal to disperse itself to all continents. The only other ones (like rats) required human assistance to achieve the same feat. Humans live in a wider range of habitats than any other species - from Arctic ice to desert, to tropical rain forest.

We do this by means of technology. However, this is not a weakness. It is a strength. No other organism can do what we can, since we are the only ones able to use more advanced technology.

Humans learn. Our society changes. For example : the percentage of our population to die by human on human violence has been dropping steadily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

Murder rates drop dramatically. Medieval England had a murder rate of 100 homicides per year, per 100,000 people. Today it is down to just 1.

Pollution is getting less as we learn. Europe and the USA had terrible air and water pollution 100 years ago. Today we breath much cleaner air and our rivers are much less polluted. Lifespan has doubled over the same time.

No, humans are not inferior. Quite the opposite.
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Re: Human Inferiority

Postby zachariah34 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:08 pm

Creating new technologies isn't a bda thing, you're right about that. However, we have become too dependant on it and if a disaster, such as a CME, ever happens and wipes out all technology on the planet, it will be very unlikely that humanity will survive and if we do we will be completely different than we are today. It's not the technology that makes us inferior, it's that we can no longer survive without it.
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Re: Human Inferiority

Postby skeptic » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:31 pm

Zachariah

We never could survive without it. Technology includes such things as banging two rocks together to break open edible nuts. Our first human ancestors 200,000 years ago already had simple technology, and could not survive without it. To be human is to use technology, however primitive or advanced.

There is evidence to indicate that even Homo habilis was using substantial simple technology, several million years before Homo sapiens even came into existence. You cannot separate humanity from technology. It is part of what we are.

To suggest it is a weakness because we could not live without it is like suggesting that the fangs and teeth of a lion are a weakness, since it cannot live without them. Humans have evolved as technology making and using animals. It is our main adaptation for survival.
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Re: Human Inferiority

Postby zachariah34 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:19 am

Yes i completely agreee with you about our ancestors. The fact that they used simple technology meant that they truly were superior. However, if we modern primates as an example, while they use tools like rocks as well, that's not how they always get food. And also, they often learn how to do it themselves. It is inde[pendant of each other. While we may have once been like that, today we depend on such advanced technology for the most simple of tasks. We require education to do so and often don't even know how half of the things in our daily lives work. So while humanity may have once been superior to all other lifeforms, we are among the lowest today.
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Postby canalon » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:32 am

Woud like to start from the beginning. You state that human are inferior. Define inferiority.
While doing you are asked to keep in mind that the products of our ingenuity and culture as much part of our evolutive make-up than our genes.

Yes it is a loaded question. But it is fair game, considering that your opening statement is as loaded as mine.
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Re: Human Inferiority

Postby zachariah34 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:49 pm

By inferior i mean that we are more pathetic and less deserving of life than other life forms on the planet.
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Postby JackBean » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:33 pm

if humanity was so pathetic, we wouldn't be here.
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Re: Human Inferiority

Postby skeptic » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:22 pm

Zachariah

Humanity does not have long claws, or massive limb tearing arms. So what?
We have a brain. We have an unspecialised body with excellent vision, and arms that can do almost anything, driven by that magnificent brain. Humans are superior to any other mammal. Given time, we will not only be the only mammal to self distribute to all continents. We will also be the only mammal to colonise planets around other stars. And we will bring our fellow Earth dwellers to live with us. Hopefully without the mosquitoes, flies and rats this time!

Humanity will create new Earths around other stars, and the giant redwood will climb into the sky under an alien sun.
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Postby zachariah34 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:47 am

JackBean wrote:if humanity was so pathetic, we wouldn't be here.

That is not true. The same could be said of certain people that are generally thought of as helpless and unable to survive. And yet, they manage to do so. Also, we were not once so pathetic. We may have been superior at one point but that point is not anymore. Also, very little time has passed since the current, pathetic form of humanity has been here. It is still too soon say we are still here.
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