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Postby gamila » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:47 am

science has cured disease and created the food


science has experimented on babies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radi ... xperiments
Radioactive Iodine Experiments; 1.2 Uranium Experiments ... a study to discover if radioactive iodine affected premature babies differently from full-term babies. ... above that of the military Commander of Operation Castle. ... Such tests had dispersed radioactive contamination worldwide, ..



science has experimented on
on human populations with out their knowledge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_we ... ted_States
program in which soldiers were exposed to overly high levels of radiation, which grew into a major .


science has killed heaps of people
ie narzi scientific experimentation
american military neuclear testing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_we ... ted_States

american radiation testing on humans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radi ... xperiments
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Postby telanerv » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:10 pm

gamila wrote:
science has cured disease and created the food


science has experimented on babies
science has experimented on
on human populations with out their knowledge

science has killed heaps of people
ie narzi scientific experimentation
american military neuclear testing
american radiation testing on humans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_radi ... xperiments



gamila wrote:
People have cured disease and created the food


people have experimented on babies
people have experimented on
on human populations with out their knowledge

people have killed heaps of people
ie nazi scientific experimentation
american military neuclear testing
american radiation testing on humans

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what point were you trying to make gamila?
trying to say people only do bad **** in the name of science? HA!
i don't even need to formulate much argument to shoot your neuron-twitch of an argument down


what if i turn the tables eh? what about the spanish inquisition? what about all the other bad **** the church or religion has been responsible for eh? crusades? jihad?
since u love wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

yeah Gamila, you don't convince anyone but the ignorant.
you are not making any well stated argument.
and as long as you troll these forums i will be here pointing out your own ignorance
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Postby gamila » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:03 am

yeah Gamila, you don't convince anyone but the ignorant.


fact is science has a lot of blood on its hand all in the name of scientific research
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Postby biohazard » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:44 am

gamila wrote:fact is science has a lot of blood on its hand all in the name of scientific research


No ****, Sherlock.
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Postby canalon » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:13 pm

fact is blood has been shed in the name of almost everything, like economy, love, hate, food and plenty other including philosophy, my philosopher troll. Does that make any of those activities inherently evil?
Well the jury is still out for religion and philosophy ;), but I think that the only reasonable conclusion, is that they are not, but that any excuse will cover the sadly way to frequent greedy and violent nature of some human.
And your sweeping generalization do not honour you gamila. Of course this answer could be applied to the "religion as a pathogen" thread as well.
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Postby gamila » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:51 am

And your sweeping generalization do not honour you gamila. Of course this answer could be applied to the "religion as a pathogen" thread as well.


i see you are acute enough to get my point
to much relgion bashing thought i would point out what can be said about religion can be said about science
and as you have acutely pointed out
fact is blood has been shed in the name of almost everything, like economy, love, hate, food and plenty other including philosophy
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Postby Jonl1408 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:13 pm

Or Creation was right and God created the earth, and everything in it.
What I am wondering is why is natural selection spoken among evolutionists, as if it has a mind of its own. Why and How would natural selection know which changes were needed where? It seems a lot smarter, to say that it was all designed. After all there is actual historical and scientific evidence for Creation, in fact there are more holes in the Evolutionary model, than in the Creation model (http://www.great-quotes.com/quote/1117193).
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Postby canalon » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:42 pm

Creation is scientific theory. It is not complete but it is useful.
Creation is a myth. There are no ho;es, but it provides no insight beyond what is already known. It does not explain why genes are how they are, the thumb of the panda or the sahpe of the beak of the flamingo. It is just one more "just so story"
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Re: Religion as a pathogen

Postby adihutama » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:46 am

it would be good really if religion is a pathogen, perhaps it could be a contageous one.

My opinion, religion is a personal matter. Its a personal matter between you and God (or anything you believe in as the power of universe). So for me, I dont care what religion are you, or why you dont go to church though youre Christian, or dont shalat though your Moslem. I dont care as long as you dont hurt other people including me.

Talking about hurting people, you cannot blame their religion or believe for doing so. You should blame the people. The people who does the terror, bombing, etc. Because people choose what they want to do. There is a free will of every person (remember the movie: "'Bruce Almighty'"?). So the extremist take the full responsibility of their action.

Same thing goes to science. Scientist can always choose which way one would direct his research to. You can use it for good things, or bad things. Again it is a free will. I guess by telling that some believes (whether religion, or any theory) can dictate your action, means youre not respecting yourself as a human, that have developed thoughts and cultures.

Canalon is right, blood spill for almost everything. In my country, blood may spill for just IDR10000 (about a USdollar) debt. The only thing you should blame is the people doing that. Some people look for guidance of what should be done, and what should not. Some people find it in religion, perhaps because religion teachings made peace and love easier to understand and applied.

So, instead of arguing which one is false: religion or science which can take a zillion years, why dont we discuss science (that is a factual things that you can see, touch for now) and leave the religion matters to each individu. Argument about which one is right/wrong between religion and science is just like the argument of which hamburger stall is better....everybody has their own personal taste and, thus, choice.

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Postby Jonl1408 » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:25 am

_at_ Canalon, Evolution, is also a theory based on tons of guesswork, but if you want to call Creation a myth try seeing if you can find any "myths" that people have believed in for 6000 years. Also if you would actually read my other posts, you would see that science has lots of evidence for Creation, and that Creation does explain most of those things.
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Postby biohazard » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:43 am

Jonl1408 wrote:_at_ Canalon, Evolution, is also a theory based on tons of guesswork, but if you want to call Creation a myth try seeing if you can find any "myths" that people have believed in for 6000 years. Also if you would actually read my other posts, you would see that science has lots of evidence for Creation, and that Creation does explain most of those things.


People believed in a geocentric world for the whole history of the mankind, way longer than the 6000 years your religion has lasted - yet it was corrected by scientific observations despite being the absolute "truth". The christian church, or course, firecely opposed this kind of herecy, but in vain. The same is now happening with creationism - just equally church opposes it against overwhelming evidence. This time the problem just is that evolution is a bit more tricky thing to prove than the Earth revolving around the Sun but just like Galileo & co. in their time, modern scientists just have to keep fighting ignorance that is so deeply rooted within the mankind...
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