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Re: AIDS – a tritium disease?

Postby JackBean » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:15 pm

Bože, Ty jsi fakt píča. To se ani nedá říct jinak :twisted: :roll:

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Postby enarees » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:57 pm

MillieKittan wrote:Honestly, I have never heard of Tritium, but I am still young when it comes to knowledge in many areas of science. I cannot, however, decipher much of the first post and would much appreciate it if someone could give me a quick rundown on what the substance is?

Also, I was under the impression that HIV was able to invade the genome because of the presence of Reverse Transcriptase, labelling it a retrovirus. I'm not sure how a connection has been made between this Tritium molecule and HIV but it seems rather irrelevant considering the behaviour of HIV itself has already been explained - a bit of a conspiracy story to me, at least.


Here there have interesting study:
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=10106137

In the Nevada desert, there have been another "bees" who have gathered "pollen" which has been next utilized in the "hives".
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Postby canalon » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:34 pm

enarees wrote:
canalon wrote:...
The only danger comes from ingestion and metabolization of the tritiated material.


And "retrovirisation" of tritium as a result!
Mainly!

Which means absolutely nothing. Tritium is an isotope of an element. It has defined physical and chemical properties, but no magic powers. It behaves like Hydrogen, except that it emits a proton during decay, and although a sheet of paper is a good enough shield against this type of radiation, if it happens inside your cell it might (or likely not) damage DNA which might (or likely not) in turn cause a mutation which might (or likely not) cause some problems in the future. However unless the amount of tritium is large the chances of something bad happening are slim, and none involve any kind of virus (retro or not).
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Postby enarees » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:59 pm

canalon wrote:Which means absolutely nothing. Tritium is an isotope of an element. It has defined physical and chemical properties, but no magic powers. It behaves like Hydrogen, except that it emits a proton during decay, and although a sheet of paper is a good enough shield against this type of radiation, if it happens inside your cell it might (or likely not) damage DNA which might (or likely not) in turn cause a mutation which might (or likely not) cause some problems in the future. However unless the amount of tritium is large the chances of something bad happening are slim, and none involve any kind of virus (retro or not).


In the tritium we have a beta-decay!
There is probability simply the biologists not to be acquainted with the necessary notions in physics and really not to have encountered such concept.
Conspiracy of Infection – I do not believe it is global, if there is such.
Scarcely, Gallo and Montagnier know, but they veil because of an order by the government and energetics, for instance.
A colossus in the retrovirology like Duesberg even from the very beginning doubts the blaming of retroviruses for AIDS…
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Postby canalon » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:00 am

You are right tritium is a weak beta emitter. It does not change anything about what I said.
Montagnier has gone mad.
Duesberg has no qualification in virology, although he is a molecular biologist.


I guess you and him would have no problem injecting yourselves with a suspension of purified active HIV?

I should probably not ask what energetics is....
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Postby MillieKittan » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:33 pm

From the research I have done on the web, since there is no mention of tritium in my text books, all I can work out is it's a rather rare isotope of hydrogen that is more often than not made by UV light reacting with the atmosphere. This event in itself is incredibly rare, and the tritium emits a very low level of radiation - so low it isn't worth worrying about unless you ingest a lot of the substance.

Rereading the first post I cannot find any relevance in the part about fuel, and neither can I make sense of what is trying to be said. I have, however, come to the following conclusions:

1. The likelihood of tritium being a cause of any kind of ills is very small, simply because it is low-danger in terms of radioactivity, little in number in the atmosphere and virtually non-existant in organic material (organisms ect.).

2. HIV and AIDS are definitely linked, and I'm sure it's due to the presence of enzymes within the virus that allows it to both penetrate the T4 cells of the body and then incorporate itself into the genome, making the cell inactive. This would lead to:
- raises in disease and infections over time, due to lowering immune system
- possible cancer/ tumours as you mentioned - in theory the immune system can spot and destroy cancer cells because of the changes in their cell surface proteins. Impaired immune system could therefore lead to growths.

3. Consider that a mouse and a human are rather genetically and, up to a point because of similarities in organs ect, physiologically similar. They have no extra equipment to allow them to absorb radiation or anything, and such the idea of 'radioactive mice' becomes ridiculous. How would an animal so much smaller than us be able to survive the supposedly human hazardous levels in a crater to be able to pass them on?
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Postby JackBean » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:23 pm

Millie: I think you should read more enarees' posts, then will you understand ;)
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Postby canalon » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:33 am

Yes replying to enarees is something that I do just to keep my blood pressure high.
He has a website too if you have a military grade tinfoil hat to lose. 5 min exposure maximum recommended per year, after that the hat melts and it causes quite severe tritium burns, that will evolve into AIDS and cause parthenogenesis (although you should be able to avoid that last bit, if as your handle suggest you are female).

I must say that to see Montagnier used by the crazies hurt my national pride, but he richly deserves it as he has gone way beyond sanity. His last paper was a hooter. And the Chinese imported him, they can keep it for themselves. I guess a Nobel prize will look good on the University ranking and webpage. As long as you hide how he spends your money in utter lunacy.
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Postby MillieKittan » Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:49 am

At least I'm not the crazy one when I read those posts and think 'this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever', and I don't just mean the way it is written. ;D

And yes, I am a girl.
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Postby enarees » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:35 pm

canalon wrote:You are right tritium is a weak beta emitter. It does not change anything about what I said.
Montagnier has gone mad.
Duesberg has no qualification in virology, although he is a molecular biologist.


I guess you and him would have no problem injecting yourselves with a suspension of purified active HIV?

I should probably not ask what energetics is....


Perhaps Montagnier is trying to stick his scientific opinion adequately to the behavior of the “HIV modifications”.
The positive results from the bone marrow transplantations support my standpoint.

I don’t believe Duesberg maliciously or under another person’s influence to state this.
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Postby enarees » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:37 pm

canalon wrote:Yes replying to enarees is something that I do just to keep my blood pressure high.
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I left you for a while and you made a golden calf. :wink:
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Re: AIDS – a tritium disease?

Postby enarees » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:23 pm

The tritium from Fukushima can reach to any point of the world, but only at a small radius (a few kilometres) it can enter retroviruses. And the probability of their spreading in Japan is insignificant.
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