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How to Obtain Dinosaurs

Postby enarees » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:38 pm

It is considered that if a dinosaur is cloned by its survived cell, then it will appear in conditions even better, before “the scaring” events, at the disappearance of the big lizards. This idea is incorrect. Now an important circumstance of the life of dinosaurs is missing. We are abstract from the human factor, which will not admit uncontrolled population. On the contrary – the human even will take care of them. But this is not enough, if the cares are declined to feeding, water giving, heating and preventing from illnesses.
Today there are enormous animals too, they are not displaced in dimensions by dinosaurs and they live in water. Water allows bigger flexible constructions. It is proven by practice of the human in the creating of terrestrial and water vehicles. And here it is – water gives an opportunity for the constructive existence of the immense body of the blue whale. But what does not allow it to be environment of animals like dinosaurs? Some will immediately hurry to make conclusions these giants, because of evolved limbs were terrestrial. The bone system of big bodies would not endure big loads, especially at falls, jostles or sharp moves. Let us assume they were coastal amphibians, like crocodiles or separate type of turtles? In water things become quite different – there big tails are not in excess. And some kinds of fish, feeding themselves, would help the conception of little dinosaurs, similar to the contemporary genes laboratory workers on plants, bees. Remora encroached entirely in the sex organs of bigger fish or bathing terrestrial mammals is seen. The very copulation, at the giant bodies, with these enormous tails, would be difficult on dry territory.
Why cannot now the shores of the water basins maintain life and reproduction of giant reptiles? What is missing?
Avowed Darwinists would announce conditions are apparent but the species only are missing, for which appearance millions of years are needed. The human factor can cut down the years for the appearance of enormous species, but do we have the conditions?
Can only a hard cosmic body entail big damages to the Earth? Why is it forgotten that in percentage contents of chemical elements in the universe, hydrogen has total prevalence. And exactly our star, the Sun, has colossal storages of hydrogen, due to which it beams us. You will say: “How can light hydrogen harm us? Considering, how much its contents on trajectory of the Earth are?”
But at definite moments, the Sun can throw enormous quantities from its hydrogen, which slowly turns back again to it. Sometimes part of this hydrogen is caught by the solar planets. Even though, the Sun does not dispose only hydrogen, but helium as well which is well known.
Intercepted by the Earth solar hydrogen reacts chemically with the atmospheric oxygen till the obtaining of water. Once, oxygen in the Earth atmosphere surely was not only the humble 20 percent. And atmosphere pressure may have been bigger. The conditions today are radically different and if a human selects or “clones” giant species of lizards, should ensure a big water basin with enriched oxygen atmosphere, with pre-increased pressure. The selection demands first the ensuring of the mentioned environment. The compatibility of a big waterproof basin with big and enriched in oxygen environment is difficult, but not unreachable assignment. It will be more easily achievable under the soil than on surface. The danger of fires at bolts and others is not to be ignored. It is known the Komodo varans can reproduce parthenogenetically, which will allow giant lizards in specially built for this terrarium to be selected.
But let us also think of the quondam environment of the enormous coastal animals. More oxygen in atmosphere supposes more intensive engendering of ozone, which conditioned weaker ultraviolet radiation to the Earth’s surface. At the same time, the nitrogen was at smaller exposition of the cosmic rays, which supposes smaller synthesis of the radioactive C14, through which organic findings are date-defined. Oceans were by some meters more shallow. Fires were quite an often phenomenon at parched vegetation and even terrestrial animal were obliged to gravitate around some big and constant water basin. Water, similar to atmosphere, was richer in oxygen too, which is decisive for the produced in it biomass. The enormous lizards fed in the water which precluded them from excess oxygen and solar burnings, and from dehydrating of their enormous bodies. The bigger coastal animals survived, since the small ones difficultly coped with the cleanly water predators. When oxygen diminished, the coastal sources of food diminished too. Despite their limbs, giants could difficultly approach their prey on arid territory – they sooner found their death there. Fatal appeared to be what we consider for granted – breathing. They missed energy, because of the poor oxygen contents in the air what it remains up to now too. Mammals appeared to be adequate to new conditions. Since the very embryo period they are richly provided with oxygen. Among animals, mammals became sole leaders by dimensions and mass. For a giant organism, it is not only important to eat more, but to consume more oxygen. The good oxygen supply provides bigger heating independence too.

The heaping of the Earth with solar hydrogen happened many times and will happen. It could be fatal for more animals’ species. Is the Earth able to cast away the intercepted hydrogen and helium? The Earth’s gravity grasps them too strongly and the temperature speeds of their molecules are not enough for fleeing. Bolts however evolve the necessary high temperatures and would be able to tear forever hydrogen atoms from the Earth, but they happen mostly in the low atmospheric layers. Another possibility is at the polar lights to obtain acceleration in a spiral of light charged particles with earth origin, which in the dense layers, at mutual collision, to rebound without return in Space. Is it possible the Earth to own a natural accelerator of particles? Is it possible the magnet turbulence to accelerate the light at the expense of the heavy ions? Of course, the sol radiation helps, both ionizing and exuding of hydrogen through plants and others. Seen from another angle – atmosphere periodically becomes poor and enriches with oxygen. At a big heaping with solar hydrogen, the thermal effect will be very big, and probably, floods will be considerable too. People should think of in advance atmosphere enriching with oxygen. This can be done through hydrogen tossing from the Earth or through thermonuclear burning of hydrogen.
Hydrogen must not be in thriftiness, because the Sun will send new consignment, which may not be with catastrophic intensity.

Dinosaurs are seen as a ward of Darwinism, as “evidence” of disappeared interspecies functions. But they can be reproduced suddenly, in a leap, through conventional natural ways of reproduction. Undoubtedly, the achieving of suitable living conditions will not directly turn lizards into dinosaurs. The gene of giants must be taken. And as it is mentioned more above, the parthenogenesis gives a good opportunity for this. Furthermore – parthenogenesis was a reason for appearance of such animals in nature.
The gene extraction and ensuring the suitable conditions are two assignments, which the human already has a technical feasibility to solve.
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Re: How to Obtain Dinosaurs

Postby Chroma » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:33 pm

I don't mean to dismiss your post as a rant but it didn't seem to be as coherent as you might hope given the length...

Would you be able to post something more organized and concise? You obviously put a great deal of time into that but it's extremely hard to follow... On the bright side it reminds me of Jurassic Park :P

enarees wrote:But let us also think of the quondam environment of the enormous coastal animals. More oxygen in atmosphere supposes more intensive engendering of ozone, which conditioned weaker ultraviolet radiation to the Earth’s surface. At the same time, the nitrogen was at smaller exposition of the cosmic rays, which supposes smaller synthesis of the radioactive C14, through which organic findings are date-defined.

Just thought it deserves mentioning that carbon dating is used only as far back as 60 000 years; after that radio active elements with a longer half life are used...
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Re: How to Obtain Dinosaurs

Postby enarees » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:34 am

Chroma wrote:I don't mean to dismiss your post as a rant but it didn't seem to be as coherent as you might hope given the length...

Would you be able to post something more organized and concise? You obviously put a great deal of time into that but it's extremely hard to follow... On the bright side it reminds me of Jurassic Park :P


Just thought it deserves mentioning that carbon dating is used only as far back as 60 000 years; after that radio active elements with a longer half life are used...


I need 5 reviewers to publish this material here.
I will try to harmonize the ideas in the text to become theory. You are right.

Yes - the C14 method rejects this that dinosaurs were close to our time. And not only this.
As though quite a credible, according to this theory, element is known by people –the fire breathing dragon.
In rich in oxygen environment it is possible at oral gas exuding, after appearance of flint spark between teeth of big dinosaurs fire spurt to be created.

It is possible that some dino creatures remained to live in caves that contain big amount of oxygen, filtrated by water basins like Loch Ness. But they can’t live long in our atmosphere and it looks like that they hide from us.
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Postby phillmill » Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:46 am

I'm in high school right now, but my AP Bio teacher Mr. Granville tells us random things, and I remember that one thing he told us was that some scientist are trying to make a chicken look like a dinosaur. I think he said that they are trying to turn on certain genes that have been turned off over time, so they are trying to make the embryo of the chicken hatch with similar characteristics as dinosaurs sense most animals have evolved from them. You might want to look into that if you are curious. Considering how hard it is to clone cells it'll take a while until they probably get it done.
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Postby JackBean » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:43 am

only the birds (and lizzards themselves) have evolved from dinosaurs, not most animals ;)
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Postby phillmill » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:30 am

well my bad, we are slowly getting there in my class
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Postby enarees » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:21 am

JackBean wrote:only the birds (and lizzards themselves) have evolved from dinosaurs, not most animals ;)


From biggest things to smaller things! :lol:

Genetically we can produce giants, but the physical circumstances are needed.
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Postby JackBean » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:39 am

you think, that only big things can evolve from small ones and not vice versa?
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Postby enarees » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:56 pm

JackBean wrote:you think, that only big things can evolve from small ones and not vice versa?


The appearance and extinction of giants are very important in terms of geophysics.

Big "things" can derive from small "things" again.
But now in the nature no phisical circumstances for this.
Special big terrariums are needed with more oxygen and water.
And many parthenogeneses.
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Postby JackBean » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:42 pm

terrariums? Parthenogenesis? :roll:
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Postby enarees » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:43 am

JackBean wrote:terrariums? Parthenogenesis? :roll:


Pharisees' little questions.
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Postby JackBean » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:56 am

Sorry, I don't speak with the language of your bribe.
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