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## Big bang and Evoluion

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I am sorry but I think that your standard of logical proof and mine match completely.
I can draw a similar diagram and put random sentences after the numbers would that make a proof?
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canalon wrote:I am sorry but I think that your standard of logical proof and mine match completely.
I can draw a similar diagram and put random sentences after the numbers would that make a proof?

Quotations are meaningless unless it works.

Creationists by whom, of who, and for who?
Creationists in history create our future.
Creationists that make senses are inventors. Thomas Edison?

Evaluations on my Logical Proofs:
1. True- 2. False-3. True = True (that reflects the second statement - 2. False - is true)

Logic is a broad game that limits your ways of thinking.
That's why the TRUTH belongs to me, not yours.

1. No living tissues ever arrived from the outer space - True/ False?
2. No living things can be created without living tissues - True/ False?
3. The Earth has living things - True/False?

With references to no. 1-3 sentences above, the Earth is a living thing.

Scientists need a specific computer program (logic?) to understand knowledge (science)?
Be considerate with our future generations.
Take a closer look at my Logical Proofs.

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kk23wong wrote:

Evaluations on my Logical Proofs:
1. True- 2. False-3. True = True (that reflects the second statement - 2. False - is true)

Logic is a broad game that limits your ways of thinking.
That's why the TRUTH belongs to me, not yours.

I am skeptical anytime someone claims to know the TRUTH (all caps).

kk23wong wrote:
1. No living tissues ever arrived from the outer space - True/ False?

We don't know the answer to this question, but probably True.

kk23wong wrote:
2. No living things can be created without living tissues - True/ False?

This is most likely False.

kk23wong wrote:
3. The Earth has living things - True/False?

Obviously True.

kk23wong wrote:
With references to no. 1-3 sentences above, the Earth is a living thing.

No. It likely fails at (2) and may even fail at (1).

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robsabba wrote:
kk23wong wrote:
2. No living things can be created without living tissues - True/ False?

This is most likely False.

How can it be? You can create a living thing without any living tissue?

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Well it likely happened at least once. To create the first organism or if we take your hypothesis with more serious that it is worth, the earth itself, or whatever created the earth.
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kk23wong wrote:
robsabba wrote:
kk23wong wrote:
2. No living things can be created without living tissues - True/ False?

This is most likely False.

How can it be? You can create a living thing without any living tissue?

Teru Wong

As I noted earlier, organic molecules are abundant in the solar system and can be created naturally under the reducing conditions the Earth experienced before photosynthesis was prevalent. Molecules can self-assemble... it is no accident that most biological macromolecules are polymers. Lipids self-assemble into bilayers and spheres (much like the plasma membrane). You can make coacervates (spherical assembleges of lipids) on your own stovetop at home with the right ingredients. There are various hypotheses about how the first primitive replicators formed, and it won't be long until such a replicator is created in the lab. That will be all that is necessary to falsify your #2 assumption.

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robsabba wrote:As I noted earlier, organic molecules are abundant in the solar system and can be created naturally under the reducing conditions the Earth experienced before photosynthesis was prevalent. Molecules can self-assemble... it is no accident that most biological macromolecules are polymers. Lipids self-assemble into bilayers and spheres (much like the plasma membrane). You can make coacervates (spherical assembleges of lipids) on your own stovetop at home with the right ingredients. There are various hypotheses about how the first primitive replicators formed, and it won't be long until such a replicator is created in the lab. That will be all that is necessary to falsify your #2 assumption.

Thank you very much for your reply.

Organic molecules are NOT equal to living tissues.

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kk23wong wrote:Thank you very much for your reply.

Organic molecules are NOT equal to living tissues.

Teru Wong

And thank you for ignoring the rest of my post. If scientists do create a primitive type of organic replicator in the lab, will you then give up on your hypothesis?

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robsabba wrote:
kk23wong wrote:Thank you very much for your reply.

Organic molecules are NOT equal to living tissues.

Teru Wong

And thank you for ignoring the rest of my post. If scientists do create a primitive type of organic replicator in the lab, will you then give up on your hypothesis?

"Organic" unequals to "living" tissues.
Organic food created by genetic engineering. Where the seeds come from?
The seed comes from trees and it is a method of reproduction.

A simple cause-and-effect relationship.

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mith wrote:He said the earth came from the living universe, but he's dodging my question of where the universe comes from.

Because he has no answer, that's what Ive been, "trying" to say from the beginning, I thank you for putting it in better words.
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kk23wong wrote:
2. No living things can be created without living tissues - True/ False?
This is true, When have you ever known an insect or living organism to come from and rock or inanimate object.
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I seem to be hearing a lot of "genetic engineering" or a lot of post go on the pretense that scientist have been involved, when the fact of that matter remains that it would have never happened, UNLESS scientist had to alter or change so type of molecule or incorporate another factor to get the response they agree with.
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