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Postby gamila » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:35 am

gamila, since I'm not familiar with colin dean, may I ask where you think new species come/came from if not by way of NS? I'm not asking to try and start an argument. Just curious.


idex i dont know Like me colin leslie dean is not a creationist and does not believes in ID
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Postby MichaelXY » Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:35 pm

gamila wrote:
gamila, since I'm not familiar with colin dean, may I ask where you think new species come/came from if not by way of NS? I'm not asking to try and start an argument. Just curious.


idex i dont know Like me colin leslie dean is not a creationist and does not believes in ID


So in essence, you mock all theories, yet have no answers of your own. Not surprising I suppose.
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Postby gamila » Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:42 pm

So in essence, you mock all theories


yes true
just like colin leslie dean i believe that all views end in meaninglessness ie self contradiction

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... hought.pdf

Contentless thought: case study in the meaninglessness of all views



http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... ience4.pdf

The absurdities or meaninglessness of mathematics and science: paradoxes and contradiction in mathematics and science which makes them meaningless, mathematics and science are examples of mythical thought, case study of the meaninglessness of all views

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... nality.pdf

Absurdities or meaninglessness or irrationality is no hindrance [sic] to something being 'true' rationality, or, Freedom from contradiction or paradox is not a necessary an/or sufficient condition for 'truth': mathematics and science examples

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... smbook.pdf

Aristotelian logic as an epistemic condition of truth, the grand narrative of western philosophy: logic-centrism, the limitations of Aristotelian logic, the end of Aristotelian logic, logic/essence and language lead to the meaningless of all views
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Postby Sophyclese » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:19 pm

I beg to differ,robsabbo and gamila. There is no solid, direct evidence that supports the appearence of new species on Earth. As science states, there are over 40 million species of animals on this pplanet, but only 2 million have been discovered. Just becuase we discover new species does not necisarily mean that the new species evolved from a older species.

Also, I have not heard of the "gull situation". Would you give me a link to a website that can tell me more or just post and tell me yourself.

Also, please read my new paper concerning Evolution. It is of course in the Evolution forum and it is titled "Evolution is a Disprooven Theory". It is a post that breezes through the basics of evolution and divuldges those points.
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Postby jwalin » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:54 am

a question.
2organisms are of one species if they can successfully interbreed and produce fertile offsprings then they are of one species.
but isn't this the old theory.
i have come to hear that if 2 organisms are in the same family they can produce fertile offsprings
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Postby jwalin » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:56 am

what is true please help.
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Postby JackBean » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:03 am

I think, if they are in a family, than they may (but maybe also may not) produce infertile offspring ;)
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Postby jwalin » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:14 am

not sure if family or phylum or genus or species produces fertile off springs please help.
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Postby JackBean » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:22 am

To my knowledge, one of definitions of species is, that they can only produce fertile offspring. But that's like six years ago, we have learned that :lol:
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Postby jwalin » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:44 am

but that's the definition even i learnt but there are a few other discoveries. if you read this thread from the begining you shall read regarding camels prooving my point.
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Postby robsabba » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:06 pm

Sophyclese wrote:I beg to differ,robsabbo and gamila. There is no solid, direct evidence that supports the appearence of new species on Earth. As science states, there are over 40 million species of animals on this pplanet, but only 2 million have been discovered. Just becuase we discover new species does not necisarily mean that the new species evolved from a older species.

Also, I have not heard of the "gull situation". Would you give me a link to a website that can tell me more or just post and tell me yourself.

Also, please read my new paper concerning Evolution. It is of course in the Evolution forum and it is titled "Evolution is a Disprooven Theory". It is a post that breezes through the basics of evolution and divuldges those points.

Speciation has been observed both in nature and in the lab. If you are asking about RIng Species, which are examples of speciation in action, look up Larus Gull, Green Warbler, and Ensatina salamanders. Wikipedia has an entry on this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
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