Login

Join for Free!
118239 members


Natural selection wrong due to transmission of harmful genes

Discussion of everything related to the Theory of Evolution.

Moderator: BioTeam

Re: Natural selection wrong due to transmission of harmful genes

Postby futurezoologist » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:14 am

4) am having fun


Yeah :D
A wise man once said to me:
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Only the fittest chickens cross the road.
User avatar
futurezoologist
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:21 pm
Location: Western Australia

Re: Natural selection wrong due to transmission of harmful genes

Postby AFJ » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:51 pm

You see wrong. We have isolated gene groups that cause such mutations.
First link i saw:
http://www.lbl.gov/Education/ELSI/Frame ... nes-f.html
Some are mistakes in protein synthesis, meiosis/mitosis etc. but you cannot deny genetic disorders.

You obviously misunderstood what I was saying, or I was ambiguous. My point was like down's syndrome they are established conditions in our population. There are not 1 billion different random disorders (though I suppose there are very rare genetic disorders). They reoccur in our population.

I do not deny disorders, on the contrary, the fact that disorders 1)continually exist as conditions and 2) are negative would not help evolutionary theory. Weak mutations should be eliminated by your theory of natural selection, but they are not.

Wow so god punished the human race by cursing some to be crippled for life, cancers and all that stuff does he now? That's news to me.


FZ, I am not trying to sound heartless here--I made a statement in scientific context. If you believe in God at all then its obvious that he allows sickness (but he does heal). There are many negative destructive things in the world because of sin. This is why He sent Christ, and why he tries to get through to us, but we have free will.

According to scripture if someone offends at one point of the law he is guilty of breaking the law. "For he who said do not commit murder also said do not commit adultery, now if I do not murder but I commit adultery, then I transgress the law." --James (paraphrased)
"...if you shall look upon a woman to lust after her you have committed adultery in you r heart already." --Jesus (I can cite if you'd like)

Okay, that just got at least 99% of men. Point being that the scripture is justified in saying "all have sinned." No one can boast before God that they don't sin. And that is why death is working in the world, "for the wages of sin is death."
AFJ
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 146
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:59 pm

Postby gamila » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:04 pm

I do not deny disorders, on the contrary, the fact that disorders 1)continually exist as conditions and 2) are negative would not help evolutionary theory. Weak mutations should be eliminated by your theory of natural selection, but they are not.


thus
as colin leslie dean shows natural selection is wrong
as
harmful genes are not eliminated and are common
gamila
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 265
Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:20 pm


Re: Natural selection wrong due to transmission of harmful genes

Postby AFJ » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:09 pm

Yes your point is taken on my part gamila. But I'm sure NS theory will still be around--just adjusted. So what do you believe is the mechanism for evolution--that is if you believe in it?
AFJ
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 146
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:59 pm

Postby gamila » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:39 pm

[quote]Yes your point is taken on my part gamila. But I'm sure NS theory will still be around--just adjusted. So what do you believe is the mechanism for evolution--that is if you believe in it?[/quote

i believe with colin leslie dean that all products of human thinking will end in meaninglessness or self contradiction
gamila
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 265
Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:20 pm

Postby futurezoologist » Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:10 pm

AFJ Said:
I do not deny disorders, on the contrary, the fact that disorders 1)continually exist as conditions and 2) are negative would not help evolutionary theory. Weak mutations should be eliminated by your theory of natural selection, but they are not.


AFJ Said:
I really give you a point on the fact that humans will tend to keep genetic disorders in the gene pool because of our natural care for children until adulthood. Medical technology would also preserve disorders for obvious reasons.



AFJ Said:
Okay, that just got at least 99% of men. Point being that the scripture is justified in saying "all have sinned." No one can boast before God that they don't sin. And that is why death is working in the world, "for the wages of sin is death."


Yes i understand, but i was not taught this in school.


gamila Said:
harmful genes are not eliminated and are common


Harmful yes but not stopping the chances of reproduction, as AFJ said:

AFJ Said:
I really give you a point on the fact that humans will tend to keep genetic disorders in the gene pool because of our natural care for children until adulthood. Medical technology would also preserve disorders for obvious reasons.


gamila, one quick question are you Colin Leslie Dean?


i believe with colin leslie dean that all products of human thinking will end in meaninglessness or self contradiction


Please explain, how can, for example, a bicycle end in in self contradiction.
Last edited by futurezoologist on Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
A wise man once said to me:
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Only the fittest chickens cross the road.
User avatar
futurezoologist
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:21 pm
Location: Western Australia

Postby gamila » Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:48 am

[quote]Please explain, how can, for example, a bicycle end in in self contradiction.[/quote
when does a bicycle cease to be a bicycle
gamila
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 265
Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:20 pm

Postby futurezoologist » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:06 am

when it rusts away and degrades into the ground.???
A wise man once said to me:
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Only the fittest chickens cross the road.
User avatar
futurezoologist
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:21 pm
Location: Western Australia

Postby gamila » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:11 am

when it rusts away and degrades into the ground.???

and at what exact point is it degraded
gamila
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 265
Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:20 pm

Postby futurezoologist » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:20 am

OK lol here we go,

When whoever wants to decide it is, decides it is.
A wise man once said to me:
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Only the fittest chickens cross the road.
User avatar
futurezoologist
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:21 pm
Location: Western Australia

Postby gamila » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:26 am

When whoever wants to decide it is, decides it is

so it is subjective
gamila
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 265
Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:20 pm

Postby futurezoologist » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:43 am

Depends how the person who decides to decide when it is no longer a bike decides it is no longer a bike, for example, it they base it on the complete disruption of all metallic bonds then it is not subjective, it is something that has an exact end point for all bikes no matter what.

Where are you going with this?
A wise man once said to me:
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Only the fittest chickens cross the road.
User avatar
futurezoologist
Coral
Coral
 
Posts: 131
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:21 pm
Location: Western Australia

PreviousNext

Return to Evolution

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests