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Re: Human Evolution and one race

Postby JorgeLobo » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:55 am

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Postby alextemplet » Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:22 pm

JorgeLobo wrote:Your high school texts are silly - as you are mcar - just shut up.


Talk about rude.
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Postby JorgeLobo » Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:08 pm

it's not about you mcar. Please understand this is a science forum - not an mcar forum.
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Postby canalon » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:23 pm

JorgeLobo:
However you appreciate mcar's textbook definition, it was:
1- correct
2- helpful
3- within our rules.
She even rephrased it to make it simple to understand.
However your answers do not improve the answer to the original questions, are useless and rude, and thus NOT within our the rules. Since you can make better posts than that we will just leave this as a warning, but keep this way, and I think this forum will make it without you.

And now everyone back to the topic.
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Postby JorgeLobo » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:08 am

I didn't say they were incorrect patrick, I said it was high school level science - overly generalized and dumbed down. I don't doubt it was helpful to those largely ignorant of the phenomena - such as anyone who offers Montague's fatuous citation. It's hard to believe a scientist would have offered something so silly - proof (science deals in very very few proofs) with certainty (so what is an uncertain proof?). Of course creationists have certainty - they deal with beliefs. But I suppose he liked to way it tripped off the tongue.

Now mcar - tell us something elementary so patrick can again praise you.
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Postby mith » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:53 am

I think it was George Box who said that all models are incorrect, but some are useful. In the context of this forum, I don't think that many people are posting PNAS level questions and I believe a simplified version usually suffices. However you are free to tack on as much additional information as necessary if you see fit.

I'll let Patrick explain his quote if he feels necessary, but I think the short version goes something like this: Don't be so literal.

P.S. Have fun with my quote, it's unambiguous.
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Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
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Postby canalon » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:15 pm

Jorge,

You are right, as mith pointed out, that mcar's answer was basic and probably to dumb for the higher mind trawling on this forum. However, the fact that the original poster did not came back complaining about this tend to suggest that this basic level of answer was what (s)he probably wanted.
On the other hand, I have carefully read your answers and I could not see where you would have added any depth or clarification or anything to this answer.
I will not spend my time explaining the quote in my signature to a person whose mind is so superior to anyone else in this forum. I will simply point that the quote about science reads WITHOUT rather than WITH, and use this to suggest that you might want to read things a little more carefully. Do not waste your time with my signature, however, use it with the rules of the board. Whatever one might think about the level of insight provided by mcar's post in general, she showed that she was certainly showing a better understanding of that piece of reading than you.

And because I understand that the noise and the confusion created by the lower minds on this forum might interfere with the proper functionning of your superior intelect, I award you a week of holidays from this forum. Use it wisely.
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Postby AstusAleator » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:05 pm

If one of the currently existing definable races were the only race left, one of two things would happen. Over time(indeterminable) they would go extinct, or speciation would result in new races (biological sub-species for those saying it's all social).

This is because all of the distinctly different races of humans on earth are the results of *edit*hundreds of thousands*edit* of years of adaptation to specific climates and environments. As a result they have adaptations that may make them less fit to live in other parts of the world, or under different environmental conditions. Their particular genome is much narrower than the total of all races.

Technology is the monkeywrench in this whole set up. It is what has enabled us to leave our native habitats and settle new ones, while preserving our ancestral genes.
Technology would probably allow a singular race to exist on earth without extinction or speciation for MUCH longer than they would under stone-age or prehistoric conditions.

The "race" I would vote most likely to survive the longest would be a hybrid race composed of all the major races on earth - mixed homogeneously.
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