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Re: 5 best proofs of evolution

Postby SamTheFreeThinker » Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:30 am

I believe that religion was (and still is) used to Control a large a large group of people.
To make a simple list:

keep people in order (Churches in the Bible Belt)
1.
Order
a. Could be given in a nice package "hope", "love", "paradise" "eternal life".
b. Some more criminal type could rob people for the Religion

2.
a.
To create a military strikes, trade, and conquere more land (Islamist-Christian)

b. Wealth for small group of people (The Clergy)

c. Charity (a supposedy good part, but it has some not so clear motifes, and is very complicated)

3.
a. To meditate (peaceful), does not have to be a accept or burn in hell like in the "Buybull belt"

That was a very simple model, but it "hopefully" gave an idea about the scenario.
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:48 am

I'm not sure what you mean by charities having unclear motifs. I admit I am only really familiar with Catholic charities in my area, but as far as I know, aid is given to anyone in need without regard to the recipient's religious affiliation, and no recipient is expected to convert or attend church because of having received aid. I believe most other religious charities operate with the same principles.

Reminds me of a story of Mother Theresa, after she cared for a Hindu man. He asked her, "So now I guess you want me to become a Christian?" She answered, "No, I want you to be the best Hindu you can be."
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Re: 5 best proofs of evolution

Postby wbla3335 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:01 pm

Nature, the journal, has put together a top-15 list of "proofs" of evolution. You can download a PDF file at http://www.nature.com/evolutiongems.
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Postby biohazard » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:45 am

Alextemplet, I can think of many questionable forms of charity. Local/domestic charities usually work the way you described, but many christian charities who work e.g. in the Thirld World countries often require that they be allowed to preach their views to the people, build churches in their village and expect local kids to attend christian schools (often a school that was built with the mony from the charity). Of course, in many cases these aims are cleverly disguised or prsented as "optional", but often it is clear that it's not about chairty, but trade (if not extortion, after all, they take advantage of the local people's poverty). "We give you bread crumbs and, in return, we ask you to convert."
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Postby David George » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:39 pm

biohazard wrote:Alextemplet, I can think of many questionable forms of charity. Local/domestic charities usually work the way you described, but many christian charities who work e.g. in the Thirld World countries often require that they be allowed to preach their views to the people, build churches in their village and expect local kids to attend christian schools (often a school that was built with the mony from the charity). Of course, in many cases these aims are cleverly disguised or prsented as "optional", but often it is clear that it's not about chairty, but trade (if not extortion, after all, they take advantage of the local people's poverty). "We give you bread crumbs and, in return, we ask you to convert."


Who cares about religion as long as your tummy gets filled.I don't think they ask to convert,but may have an expectation to do so.But i don't think there is anything wrong in this....
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Postby biohazard » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:02 pm

Well, I don't know about the wrongness of that, it pretty much depends on how you view it. You can either see it so that the given religion uses other people's distress in order to spread itself among that people, or that the given religion has the right to expect or hope that the people convert, and the aid itself has nothing to do with that. I'm just a bit wary when people so eagerly talk about charity, because it is not charity any longer if there's an underlying cause that is being promoted - be it the Western countries interest to force-feed democracy to other nations, or be it churches trying to abolish other people's religions and replace it with their own.

This probably applies to all major religions, but at least Christianity has destroyed dozens of indigenous religions during its often very aggressive desire to consume and nullify all other faiths. If you look at the big picture, it's usually far from chairty.
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:22 pm

There are plenty of charities that do not fit the molds described above. Christian Children's Fund, for example, makes it a very strong policy not to interfere with the normal religious practices of the people it is helping. Also there are purely secular charities, which are not affiliated with any religion, and do their work solely for the motivation of helping people. I am sure there are charities with less than noble motives, but in my opinion they're in the minority.
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Postby David George » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:34 pm

biohazard wrote:This probably applies to all major religions, but at least Christianity has destroyed dozens of indigenous religions during its often very aggressive desire to consume and nullify all other faiths. If you look at the big picture, it's usually far from chairty.


Yes very true.When it comes to the question of "Charity" i would like to shut up my mouth.
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:11 pm

I think, among world religions today, the worst one would have to be fundamentalist Islam. I'll take annoying preachers any day over suicide bombers.
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Postby David George » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:39 pm

I don't want to single out any religion.Who knows i may get married to a Islamic Kenyan Arab.But certainly I don't like fundamentalist "any religion".
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Postby alextemplet » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Fundamentalist anything is usually a bad thing, but some are worse than others. I think deliberately killing innocents is one of the worst forms of fundamentalism, with all others being lesser evils. To be fair, Christianity does have its share of terrorist groups (northern Ireland, for example), as do atheists and every other religion, but most such organizations identify themselves as Islamic.
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Postby biohazard » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:26 pm

The biggest difference is that Islam is lagging behind a few centuries, nowadays Christians mainly bombard innocents from 30,000 feet or something :)

But yeah, fundamental Islam feels like some kind of hate religion: nowhere else do religious leaders radiate such hatred and malevolence than in some Islamic countries. And since the people are completely brainwashed, they happily blow themselves up to gory bits in hope of a few virgins or whatever they're promised nowadays... (Playstation 3 and a six-pack of Coke or something?)
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