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Postby David George » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:50 am

Thats why i am planning to leave India as soon as i get my Degree.I think i may return back once or twice,but wish no longer to stay in my Nation.The R and J scenario will certainly come if i marry an Indian outside my caste.Why would i ever follow a forsaken system like caste, for Indians its an integral part of life, for me its the greatest betrayal i can do for the science that i study[I only realised all this caste,language,race non sense was useless after reading about evolutionary theory].I always try to follow and use the science that i read.Indians read today,get marks the next day,forget it the day after[exceptions are always there].
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Postby alextemplet » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:28 pm

DavidGeorge wrote:Indians read today,get marks the next day,forget it the day after


Sounds like your people and mine have a bit more in common than we realize, mon ami! :)
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Postby David George » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:38 am

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Sounds like your people and mine have a bit more in common than we realize, mon ami! :)


I never knew that.Looks like we are really close "amis"
But here in India many parents force their children to take the course of their wish.Also the women are not given equal rights [may be by the law equal rights] but in reality the scenario is different.I think a good 80% to 95% of women just memorize and vomit it in the paper.No wonder they are not any great women scientists in India.
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:59 pm

That is the biggest problem with modernizing a society, you can change the law but you can't change people's behavior. We have similar problems among our minority communities, not just racism but also, for example, the belief that almost "blacker" not to take your education seriously. As a result, many minorities end up entrapped not by the rest of society but by their own culture.
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Postby David George » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:10 am

Indians talk about becoming a super power by 2020 when they cannot come out of stupid systems like caste.Dowry is banned by the law in reality you don't expect the government to poke into family matters so its a widely followed system.Atleast its only the minority problem for your country but here everyone does it.Yes there is minority[by religion] problems also but i feel many Hindus are more tolerant to their muslim and christian counterparts.
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Postby alextemplet » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:59 pm

Becoming a superpower doesn't necessarily mean modernizing your society, depending on what rubric you use. Economically, India is already well on its way. Militarily, they're very close, already having nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers. All that's left to gain is a good Marine Corps and the ability to project military power on a global scale, which would require either a world-wide basing network or obliging allies. I've read that the US government wants to form closer ties with India and play them as a counter to the rising power of China. Not sure, though, what effect this is having on your country, if any.

You would no better than I would about Hindus, but I’ve read that some of their sects can be just as bad as anyone else.  Isn’t the violence in Sri Lanka between Hindus and Buddhists?  Two faiths that, in the west, have a stereotype for being excessively pacifist.
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Postby David George » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:31 am

No no the prob in sri lanka is between the two languages rather than religion.Like there are the ethnic tamils[i am an Indian tamil,atleast they call me so][minority] and the sinhalese.The problem is sinhalese is majority in sri lanka.But Tamils are majority in the world[compared to sinhalese].So each one gets funded from diff sources.There are many top christians in the tamils its not all hindu.But yes there are many bad sects in Hindus no denial about it.I don't want India to align with anyone but be neutral.I only wish the culture gets more modern rather than being conservative.India has splendid riches and equally splendid poors.Already Sino-Indian ties are not at great heights.Besides i am planning to go China for my further studies[I think its the only major country where there are few indians compared to the others].Also there is corruption that needs to be tackled at a larger scale.I wish India and China and Pakistan stay as friends, which seems like day dreaming.....I am also exploring the possiblities of changing my citizenship to Chinese.I seriously don't want the US to support us to counter China.I would be glad if India just trades with Russia since it has not spoiled relations with the neighbours......
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Postby alextemplet » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:55 pm

India and Pakistan become friends? That sounds about as likely as the Israelis and Palestinians doing the same thing. I'm not Russia is where to look for friendly relations either, unless it offers something to gain from Russia's perspective. I'm aware that the Russians have sold India large numbers of weapons, especially warships, so Russia might be trying to counter China as well. China does seem to be the up-and-comer that everyone's afraid of, with good reason, considering their abysmal human rights record.

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Postby David George » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:54 am

alextemplet wrote:India and Pakistan become friends? That sounds about as likely as the Israelis and Palestinians doing the same thing.


Yes thats the problem.When i say Pakistanis are our blood relatives my friends use the most indecent and horrible words on me.......

alextemplet wrote: I'm not Russia is where to look for friendly relations either, unless it offers something to gain from Russia's perspective. I'm aware that the Russians have sold India large numbers of weapons, especially warships, so Russia might be trying to counter China as well. China does seem to be the up-and-comer that everyone's afraid of, with good reason, considering their abysmal human rights record.

Wow, how did we get onto this topic again?


Yes i do know about the chinese human rights record.I personally felt the Chinese communists[Atheists] need to ease their grip on religion.There are many tibetian refugees in India,some times i see them bleed like anything[while protesting] I am not sure whom to support.But let me be straight I like china since there are more people like me in China[Atheists] than in India.The West looks ok to me since i donot see religious extremism and superstition to the extent it is in India.I don't think Russia is countering China it rather wants to Counter Europe and US.Yes China can become a Super Power given that it can also tap its resources from its rural populations.It seems to concentrate too much on cities[similar to India].It does not have religion and caste problem to the extent it is in India.Mark my words Alex India cannot become developed by 2020 or even 2060.Since casteism will hamper it.Its effects cannot be understood by a foreigner until you live here and know the culture.

The topic is interesting thats why we bump into it often.....
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:01 pm

China can already be described as a superpower, especially economically. The only ingredient they're really lacking is the ability to project military power on a global scale, which would require a fleet of aircraft carriers backed up by amphibious assault forces (such as Marines). Economically, they're kicking everyone else's butt because of the way they exploit their workers means they have very low labor costs. I sort of understand your thinking but I think western Europe would be a better place for those same philosophies without all the human rights abuses. The US is similar, mostly in urban areas; rural US is the home front of Christian extremism.
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Postby mith » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:05 pm

david, ever consider karst in saudi arabia?
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Postby David George » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:39 am

alextemplet wrote:China can already be described as a superpower, especially economically. The only ingredient they're really lacking is the ability to project military power on a global scale, which would require a fleet of aircraft carriers backed up by amphibious assault forces (such as Marines). Economically, they're kicking everyone else's butt because of the way they exploit their workers means they have very low labor costs. I sort of understand your thinking but I think western Europe would be a better place for those same philosophies without all the human rights abuses. The US is similar, mostly in urban areas; rural US is the home front of Christian extremism.


Economically there is a huge setback for China[pretty much the whole world] now with exports and imports falling[yesterday i saw the BBC reporting 3% http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7825573.stm].I was expecting this to happen anyway.In India there has been a huge fraud in IT sector so that will have a bad impact in Inida.Alright so if i come to US i dare not venture outside the city :mrgreen:.Your so interested in those marines.China and India rather have a policy on "Non Intrevention" in Internal matters.Although this has been neglected several times by both countries.The Interests of US differ from that of India and China.Yeah the labour costs in Ind and China are low....thats very true...

mith wrote:david, ever consider karst in saudi arabia?


No never heard of anything like caste in Saudi Arabia.My relatives work their.They complain of poor status given to them but never heard of caste.Caste in all its true form exists in India,Sri lanka and Nepal.As far as i know....
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