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Fixing my own sleeping problem

Postby CoreAlex » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:50 am

Hi everyone, i have a sleeping problem where i cant sleep at the time i want, like say when i want to go to bed for school, i try for 11 00 pm. but cant go to sleep. i guess its because during the summer i was used to sleeping at like 5 am in the mornining. Tday Im staying home from school and i wanna know something. My plan is to basicaly force my self to stay up for more than 24 hours so that way when i go to bed ill be exhausted and go to sleep right away. I seriously think this will help me fix my timing. So far im close, i stayed up all night and now i just have to force out a few more hours. i wanna know, there is no extreme health hazards here is there? 1 day without sleep cant be that bad can it? and also is this a wise idea for me to do.. sorry this sleeping problem realy sucks because im on the wrestling team and i dont wanna be dead tired everyday when season starts all because i have a sleeping problem.
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Postby mith » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:58 pm

there's no extreme hazards unless you operate machinery
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Postby CoreAlex » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:30 pm

uhhh this is killing me its been 27 hours 8 hours to go and i say bye bye, i seriously hope this works
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Postby CoreAlex » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:31 pm

by bye bye i mean good night after 8 hours passes
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Postby alextemplet » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:23 pm

The longest I ever stayed up non-stop was 84 hours, or three and a half days. There's no real health risks that I'm aware of, except that after the second or third day your thinking starts breaking down and you all of a sudden can't remember where you left your pen, which is in the same pocket where you always put it. Or you forget how to count. Stuff like that.
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Postby MrMistery » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:58 pm

while staying up for 3 days is definitely not recommended (it is similar to getting really drunk on alcohol in terms of health risks) there are no health risks associated with staying up one night. In fact, I think you chose the best solution for your problem. If not sleeping made you sick, there would be a lot of sick students on college campuses around finals...
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Postby AstusAleator » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:55 am

I'm like the original poster. I naturally tend to stay up very late, and sleep in. If I haven't gotten myself into a regular routine of getting up early and going to bed early, I won't be able to go to sleep when I go to bed at a normal time. The only way I can ensure that I'll get to sleep at a regular time is to a) not get enough sleep (6-7hrs) the night before or b) work my _at_$$ off during the day. Oh, and taking a nap, even for 15 minutes, in the late afternoon totally messes with my ability to go to sleep when I go to bed. One more thing that works sometimes is reading a boring (but interesting enough to make you not want to just never pick it back up) book. This only works sometimes, because if I'm really not tired enough to go to sleep, I'll find myself just thinking about other things and totally ignoring what I'm reading.

I've done the 36 hr reset, many times. The important thing is to stick with it. don't cave in and go to sleep early. It's probably not the best way to try to manage your sleeping pattern, but sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do. Ideally, you should try to discipline yourself into getting up early and going to bed at a reasonable time. Keep a small sleep-deficit and pay up on the weekends.

An alternative to the 36 hour reset is simply going to bed late and getting up early (3-5hrs of sleep). You'll be way tired the next night, just don't take a nap during the day. If you're still not tired the next night, do it again, and you'll most likely be tired the following night.


Staying up for more than 36 hours for me is almost like being high or strung-out or something. I haven't really done many drugs but... it's pretty weird. I become more sensitive to light. My muscles seem weaker and more twitchy (possibly because of the caffeine associated with staying awake that long). I'm more easily confused or surprised. The things happening around me have a slight surrealness, like I'm almost not really there. I zone out, or obsess on certain things like patterns or seeming paradoxes (it's easy to imagine more paradoxes in this state of mind). For example, I can go into a trance-like state walking down a hallway because of the uniformity of the lights and doors. Similarly i can stare at the screen-saver with the bouncing linces for hours.

Physiologically, I can tell that my heart-rate is lower on average but jumps to higher-than-normal levels in response to stimuli. My skin gets clammy and pallid, indicating to me that I'm not getting much blood-flow to my extremeties. I mentioned before that I feel weaker. Probably the worst thing about staying up so long is the effects of the food and drink you consume during that time (for me, lots of caffeine and junk food). Caffeine really isn't good for you, especially in large prolonged doses. And of course, high carb/sugar intake isn't good either.

I've found that during times of my life when I had very erratic sleeping patterns, I gained weight and became depressed. The solution to this is exercise and staying busy.
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Postby xxrandompersonxx » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:42 pm

I don't think there's a short term health risk for staying up late excpet for getting weaker but it's definitely bad for long term. There was this article on the newspaper on sleep deficiency, it mentioned something about decreasing your brain's coordination and response. Anyway, what I don't really get is that they say your brain's most active when asleep and if your brain has been real active the whole night, it doesn't really make sense that you'll feel more refreshed after more sleep.

I've never tried staying up for 36 hours before but I've tried with only 2 hours of sleep for a night. I was surprising very energetic and alert in the next day, any explanations?? However, after 3 days of 2 hours' sleep.. it was like my brain started malfunctioning and I couldn't even do a simple math question properly.

(sorry getting off topic)

Anyway, I agree that 36 hr probably isn't the best way too. Try listening to music, it might help, preferably music without lyrics so you can't sing along. I've tried counting sheeps method and it didn't work for me, only made me even more frustrated. I used to try and do hard math questions because it exhausts my brain, it worked for a while but this isn't a good way because after while it became a sort of learned behaviour and I felt like sleeping (even in class) after finishing a few difficult questions. I'll be dead if it's in the exams! =)
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Postby mith » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:08 pm

try the shoutcast solo piano station :)
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Postby Chumbawamba » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:23 am

I think that since there are negative (yet some people may say minute) outcomes of sleep deprivation, then staying up for long periods of time will harm you. As it's been said before, it feels like you're on drugs after a while of not sleeping. There must be some kind of degradation in the brain, much like the outcome of drinking alcohol.

Plus, there must be some purpose for sleeping! Evolution is the key. Aren't we harmed without breathing? Surely any function of the body which the body wants is harmful to the body. Let your body decide what to do, not your self. ;)
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Postby AstusAleator » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:12 pm

This reminds me of a study I read about sleep where a researcher kept a cat awake for days and days and it finally went insane.
The same thing will happen to us if we're kept awake for too long, >72 hrs. This is part of the reason meth-heads are soo crazy. A human will test positive for mental illness after 72 hours without sleep. They may get better after having some sleep, but there has to be lingering effects.
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