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Postby enarees » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:53 pm

lifemare wrote:
enarees wrote:The truth is hidden in The Oldest Book.

Wow. I wonder what would take for someone to believe in that. For a book like that to be possible, you would either have to believe in a noosphere where universal gnosis (god if you will) rests undisturbed and eternal, accessible only to extremely intuitive people (since it was written and translated over and over by men - actually, men with a lot of rooted pagan beliefs) whose ability somehow was never rivalled before or after the bible in whole of Men's existence; or you'd have to believe in the ancient astronauts theory: spiritual or technologically superior beings who took upon the task of educating the human race after the flood, bestowing upon us the gifts of art, agriculture and science as all the myths seem to corroborate, and giving us all their knowledge just before leaving, wich we were too primitive to understand in any other form than cryptic allegories, therefor transmitted along the ages in a code nobody really understood yet somehow reached us today intact enough to be decyphered. That's an hell of an imagination (and not very christian of you)! Unless of course you just believe in it out of faith.


Adam(Prehuman) is androgyne - he had lactating nipples. He made autogenesis and autogenetic clan.
THEY hide the secret.

Without autogenesis - not selection. Among mammals autogenesis is male property.

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Darwin is liar from THE CLAN.
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:10 pm

The phylum is Cycliophora, a peculiar form of invertebrate that so far has been discovered to live only on the mouthparts of marine lobsters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycliophora

As far as quick evolutionary leaps, Dr. Kenneth Miller in his book Finding Darwin's God makes the point that what appears to be rapid evolutionary changes may have been very gradual. A few inches of geological strata can mean the difference between millions of years, and what appears to be a short time in the fossil record (especially comparing it to the age of the earth itself) may have been a very gradual change. I'm not saying that rapid change is impossible, but I think it's importance is a bit overplayed.
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Re: Re:

Postby lifemare » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:32 pm

enarees wrote:Darwin is liar from THE CLAN.

lol! What the hell is wrong with you man? are you on peyotl or something?

alextemplet wrote:The phylum is Cycliophora

thanks, i'd heard of that one. check this out, it's a little more recent and a freak finding! :D

alextemplet wrote:Dr. Kenneth Miller in his book Finding Darwin's God makes the point that what appears to be rapid evolutionary changes may have been very gradual.

It's a very reasonable argument, but there's got to be something more. I mean, take the Cambrian explosion for instance, in a period of just 8my almost every class of animals we know of sprung into existence. There's a lot we don't know about the relationship between genetics and the environment or what was going on at the time to catalyze such an event, i haven't read the book, but it may be that dr. Miller is right and wrong at the same time. Considering it took us 5my to evolve from monkeys and we're talking about a minute change in dna... and even with our own timeline, there's so many gaps, junctions, twists and dead-ends it's hard to see the continuum of it. I know i shouldn't be comparing different ecossystems, ages and species, it's all too relative (look at the coelacanth remaining unchanged for all this time), but still, you have to wonder...
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Postby enarees » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:10 pm

alextemplet wrote:The phylum is Cycliophora, a peculiar form of invertebrate that so far has been discovered to live only on the mouthparts of marine lobsters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycliophora

As far as quick evolutionary leaps, Dr. Kenneth Miller in his book Finding Darwin's God makes the point that what appears to be rapid evolutionary changes may have been very gradual. A few inches of geological strata can mean the difference between millions of years, and what appears to be a short time in the fossil record (especially comparing it to the age of the earth itself) may have been a very gradual change. I'm not saying that rapid change is impossible, but I think it's importance is a bit overplayed.


Darwin knew the truth, but hid it.

If Adam was mutation, how in the same time and in the same place spread exactly the same mutation(Eve)?
Not only Adam, but all new species.

Mutation mean destruction.
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:31 pm

lifemare wrote:It's a very reasonable argument, but there's got to be something more. I mean, take the Cambrian explosion for instance, in a period of just 8my almost every class of animals we know of sprung into existence.


I'm no expert in genetics, but I remember reading that the development of all animal embryos is controlled by a few genes called Hox control genes. Experiments have shown that even a minor mutation in a Hox gene can cause major changes in the animal's body. It may be possible the Cambrian explosion was the result of the initial development of these genes and the various animal phyla resulted from the many ways in which these new genes could be put to use.

As for the comparison to human evolution, I think the evolution of humans and the Cambrian explosion is an apples to oranges comparison. Humans evolved in an environment already crowded with life, whereas the world was relatively uninhabited at the time of the Cambrian explosion. It could've been as simple as animals adapting to conquer previously inhospitable environments.
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Postby enarees » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:35 am

alextemplet wrote:I'm no expert in genetics, but I remember reading that the development of all animal embryos is controlled by a few genes called Hox control genes. Experiments have shown that even a minor mutation in a Hox gene can cause major changes in the animal's body. It may be possible the Cambrian explosion was the result of the initial development of these genes and the various animal phyla resulted from the many ways in which these new genes could be put to use.

As for the comparison to human evolution, I think the evolution of humans and the Cambrian explosion is an apples to oranges comparison. Humans evolved in an environment already crowded with life, whereas the world was relatively uninhabited at the time of the Cambrian explosion. It could've been as simple as animals adapting to conquer previously inhospitable environments.


This is so scientific. :lol:
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Re: Evolution

Postby wbla3335 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:28 pm

I think we've lost sob.
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Re: Evolution

Postby juliana29 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:51 am

Evolution occurs when it is necessory. Some apes evolved into man because
either they moved to a new environment or their existing environment changed.

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Re: Evolution

Postby juliana29 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:57 am

Evolution only occurs when it is necessary. Some apes evolved into man because
either they moved to a new environment or their existing environment changed.

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Re: Evolution

Postby enarees » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:34 am

juliana29 wrote:Evolution only occurs when it is necessary. Some apes evolved into man because
either they moved to a new environment or their existing environment changed.



Why "some" - only one ape.
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Postby supersport » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:31 pm

how can you evolutionists not see that humans are higher organisms than, say, pond scum? Do you see pond scum solving complex math problems or some of life's most confounding myteries?...can they build tall buildings or fly to the moon or land a spaceship on mars? Can they love others, get married, build a house, hold a job, balance a checkbook, pay bills, etc? Do they have the same capacity as we do to learn about the world around them? Goodness...What is your definition of "higher" if these things I just mentioned aren't included?
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Re: Evolution

Postby wbla3335 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:15 pm

Don't get too worked up about this particular issue, supersport. It's only a matter of semantics. Some people just feel that it's "politically incorrect" to refer to different organsims as higher or lower. All extant species have been going at this evolution business for the same amount of time, ie. since life began, they've just taken different routes to get to the present. And most of these species are fairly equally well adapted their respective environments (some are losing the battle). From these perspectives, no species is higher or lower than any other. Of course we're a little more complex than pond scum. But be careful, some of my best friends live in ponds.
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