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Universal Tree of Life

Postby AcuraGuy » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:54 am

How is the Tree of Life rooted?

Archaea, Bacteria and Eucarya are all rooted in the Tree of Life, but it could not have been rooted using an outgroup, since no living organisms fall outside this clade. So, how could the tree be rooted? What could the last universal common ancestor be?

Here is a picture of the tree.
http://image57.webshots.com/57/8/33/53/2537833530053271504pvyaEH_fs.jpg

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Postby James » Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:03 pm

Still being debated, look at http://www.tolweb.org/Life_on_Earth/1. There are many links at the bottom.
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Re: Universal Tree of Life

Postby Dov Henis » Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:06 pm

AcuraGuy wrote:How is the Tree of Life rooted?...
So, how could the tree be rooted? What could the last universal common ancestor be?


Study of Life's Base
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-P81pQcU1 ... G_Q--?cq=1

(A)

Scientism and "evolutionary thinking" suggest that the study of the nature of life must be focused on the nature of the presently known earliest genes and on the probable nature of their probable earlier editions, backwards to the treshold of formation-transition of pre-RNA chemicals into their self-replicating RNA editions, in the company of their precursors and of the predecessors of the precursors.

(B)

Most probable conjecture of the constellation of the Stealthy Life Genesis:

(1) In a (need composition definition) aqueous medium are present all components of the early "replicating configurations" plus all the predecessors of those components, and (2) the energy balance of each of the progressing (steps) reactions, along the direction from the base elements level up to the replicator, are always forward-favoured, so that in the presence of all the required elements the replicator's formation energetically draws the progressive reactions.

The starting clues are, of course, the earliest available mono-cellular compositions and their in-cell processes, and the starting unknown variables are the systems' base molecules and the systems' energetic circumstances.

(C)

The essential early events of the energy-contents-driven "chemicals-to-life" progression comprise single-strand base extensions and ligations. Later steps include DNA formation.

All the consecutive steps in the progression are energy-contents-driven. Thus the chemicals-to-life transit is not a single dramatic step/rung of the ladder but consists of multi-small-steps/rungs and, due to variations in circumstances and in-line with the fractal nature of everything in the environments, it is random/stochastic.

(D)

I conjecture life's genesis much earlier than celling of genes. I suggest that genomes are communal coops of what way back originally were RNA independent genes, these various/different genes being then the first proliferrable life forms. Evolution and survival directed them and their DNA progeny to become united, chromosomes and genomes, simply because cooperation is the most survivable mode, and the further process of evolution included celling for control of environmental parameters plus ever increasing member genes specialization as more capabilities evolve by some individual members of the commune of genes.

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Postby AcuraGuy » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:23 pm

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Genesis And Life

Postby Dov Henis » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:13 am

AcuraGuy wrote: I was also leaning toward Woese's theory which can be read here.


Genesis And Life

Carl Woese ( June 9, 1998 ):
"The ancestor ( of life ) cannot have been a particular organism, a single organismal lineage. It was communal (13, 22), a loosely knit, diverse conglomeration of primitive cells that evolved as a unit, and it eventually developed to a stage where it broke into several distinct communities, which in their turn become the three primary lines of descent".

Dov Henis:
Earth life's genesis cannot have been cell(s). Cells, like all (every) objects and processes and natural laws in the universe, are - since singularity - products of evolution and are continuously further evolving. Everything in the cosmos is fractal, rehappens on many scales, and is continuously evolving. Each and every system in the universe continuously evolves within the total universal evolution and all the systems' evolutions are intertwined. Thus the root of earth's life cannot have been deus-ex-machina cells. Cells cannot have been but one of the forms of products of evolution of energy-transformation-storage systems, since at the beginning was the energy singularity, at the end will be near zero mass and an infinite dispersion of the beginning energy, and in-between, the universe undergoes continuous evolution consisting of myriad energy-to-energy and energy-to-mass-to-energy transformations. Therefore the roots of earth-life's genesis must have been much earlier than the celling of genes, in cosmic phenomena of active temporary reservoirs or pockets or bubbles of energy, on Earth in the form of individual RNA genes life
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Re: Genesis And Life

Postby Dov Henis » Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:56 am

Dov Henis wrote:
AcuraGuy wrote: I was also leaning toward Woese's theory which can be read here. quote]

Genesis And Life

Carl Woese ( June 9, 1998 ):
"The ancestor ( of life ) cannot have been a particular organism, a single organismal lineage. It was communal (13, 22), a loosely knit, diverse conglomeration of primitive cells that evolved as a unit, and it eventually developed to a stage where it broke into several distinct communities, which in their turn become the three primary lines of descent".

Dov Henis:
Earth life's genesis cannot have been cell(s). Cells, like all (every) objects and processes and natural laws in the universe, are - since singularity - products of evolution and are continuously further evolving. Everything in the cosmos is fractal, rehappens on many scales, and is continuously evolving. Each and every system in the universe continuously evolves within the total universal evolution and all the systems' evolutions are intertwined. Thus the root of earth's life cannot have been deus-ex-machina cells. Cells cannot have been but one of the forms of products of evolution of energy-transformation-storage systems, since at the beginning was the energy singularity, at the end will be near zero mass and an infinite dispersion of the beginning energy, and in-between, the universe undergoes continuous evolution consisting of myriad energy-to-energy and energy-to-mass-to-energy transformations. Therefore the roots of earth-life's genesis must have been much earlier than the celling of genes, in cosmic phenomena of active temporary reservoirs or pockets or bubbles of energy, on Earth in the form of individual RNA genes life.

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Postby Schröder » Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:34 am

Hmm....I was never a person who accepted this view of life being mapped using the anology of tree. Evolution is not linear so its more of a shrub with many branches than a tree.
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one from so simple a beginning.....The Origin of Species
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Re: Universal Tree of Life

Postby Dov Henis » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:48 am

The 2013 gravity comprehension/definition is the greatest science feat since the early 1920s.

Learn what natural gravity is scientifically:
Think of the consequences re classical science of this comprehension of gravity…

איך נברא היקום יש מאין
Origin And Nature of the Universe, the greatest science feat since the early 1920s.

New Science 2013 versus classical science
Classical Science Is Anticipated/Replaced By The 2013 Gravity Comprehension !!!

http://universe-life.com/2014/02/24/gravity/

Attn classical science hierarchy, including Darwin and Einstein…
“I hope that now you understand what gravity is and why it is the monotheism of the universe…DH”
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Gravity is the natural selection of self-attraction by the elementary particles of an evolving system on their cyclic course towards the self-replication of the system. Period
( Gravitons are the elementary particles of the universe. RNA nucleotides genes and serotonin are the elementary particles of Earth life)

כח המשיכה
כח המשיכה הוא הבחירה הטבעית להיצמדות הדדית של חלקיקי היסוד של מערכת מתפתחת במהלך התפתחותה המחזורית לעבר שיכפולה. נקודה
( הגרוויטון הוא חלקיק היסוד של היקום. הגנים, הנוקלאוטידים של חומצה ריבונוקלאית והסרוטונין הם החלקיקים היסודיים של חיי כדור הארץ)

Dov Henis(comments from 22nd century)

http://universe-life.com/2013/11/14/sub ... s-science/
http://universe-life.com/2013/09/03/the ... ed-theory/

PS: Note, again:

- Classical Science Is Anticipated/Replaced By The 2013 Gravity Comprehension !!!

- Think of the consequences re classical science of this comprehension of gravity…
DH
נ.ב. הבנת מהות כח המשיכה מספקת בסיס הגיוני מפשט/צפוי/מתקן לכל מגזרי ורכיבי המדע הקלסי
יש פה אי- ניצול של הזדמנות/אפשרות של ישראל להדיח באלגנטיות מתורבתת את ארה"ב מעמדתה בעולם כמוליכה/המקבעת של עדר ה"מדענים/מדע" באמצעות האיגוד המקצועי האמריקאי הדתי, ולתפוס את עמדת ההולכה/פיתוח/הובלה של המדע 2013 החדש המשתדרג, ולהפוך את המדע האמריקאי לגרורה של המדע הישראלי. אי-ניצול זה הוא מחדל מטומטם /עלוב/מביש...
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