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Just a simple question about Evolution

Postby TheRisenUndead » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:54 pm

Just a simple question about Evolution, for an Evolutionist's point of view, what is exactly the purpose of life? Is it as simple as living out normal lives, doing the same thing day after day and then die, or is there more to that? Sorry but I'm just curious! :roll:
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Postby sachin » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:10 pm

Evolutionist's View;

Life may be, A prolonged chemical cycle that is necessary to make or carry out processes in nature. 8)

For me Nature is a Computer programme which is supported by Life processes. :)

So Fate of life is to "Support nature", so that one day the programme will Get it final part to Get "Completed".(Dooms Day)
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Postby mith » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:12 pm

To survive to procreate and continue the genetic legacy
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Postby AstusAleator » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:43 pm

Purpose is a loaded word. It's easy to get into a tangled mess of semantics when addressing a topic like this.
I would say that evolution has no "purpose"
Purpose is a concept that has been derived from our observations of what appear to be linear processes with beginnings and ends.
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To survive to procreate and continue the genetic legacy

I think that you may be able to argue that this is the purpose of life. But I assert that it is not the purpose of evolution. In fact, evolution is a purposeless phenomenon.
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Re: Just a simple question about Evolution

Postby alextemplet » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:51 pm

TheRisenUndead wrote:Just a simple question about Evolution, for an Evolutionist's point of view, what is exactly the purpose of life? Is it as simple as living out normal lives, doing the same thing day after day and then die, or is there more to that? Sorry but I'm just curious! :roll:


The above posts do a pretty good job of explaining the purpose of life with regards to evolution itself, but you worded your question asking for an evolutionist's (meaning a person who believes in evolution) point of view. So I will give my own personal answer, in place of the more scientific answers given above.

As for why evolution itself exists, I see it as a tool used by God in the process of creating life. As for why life exists, I think it is because God desired to create beings with whom He could share a loving relationship.

My apologies if this steps outside the boundaries of our discussion, but that is my personal answer, which I assume is what you are asking for. My apologies again if I misunderstood the question.
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Re: Just a simple question about Evolution

Postby TheRisenUndead » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:44 am

alextemplet wrote:
TheRisenUndead wrote:Just a simple question about Evolution, for an Evolutionist's point of view, what is exactly the purpose of life? Is it as simple as living out normal lives, doing the same thing day after day and then die, or is there more to that? Sorry but I'm just curious! :roll:


The above posts do a pretty good job of explaining the purpose of life with regards to evolution itself, but you worded your question asking for an evolutionist's (meaning a person who believes in evolution) point of view. So I will give my own personal answer, in place of the more scientific answers given above.

As for why evolution itself exists, I see it as a tool used by God in the process of creating life. As for why life exists, I think it is because God desired to create beings with whom He could share a loving relationship.

My apologies if this steps outside the boundaries of our discussion, but that is my personal answer, which I assume is what you are asking for. My apologies again if I misunderstood the question.


Well, to be honest, I'm a Christian actually and I'm just curious between this whole debate between Creation VS Evolution thing......Don't mistake my porpuse of posting this question, I'm not trying to convert you all to Christians or anything....... I'm just asking, like I said, I'm curious! I feel it isnt fair to just be judgemental and just say Evolution is wrong and the Bible is right without research.

So then, to actually conclude all your answers, Evolution is a basicaly a circle of life, so what happens after life? After we die? If it all ends there like that, wont it be a waste?

alextemplet : Evolution being a tool for God to create living beings? First time encountering a person believing both Evolution and Creation. =)
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Postby mith » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:14 am

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Re: Just a simple question about Evolution

Postby sachin » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:46 am

TheRisenUndead wrote:So then, to actually conclude all your answers, Evolution is a basicaly a circle of life, so what happens after life? After we die? If it all ends there like that, wont it be a waste?

alextemplet : Evolution being a tool for God to create living beings? First time encountering a person believing both Evolution and Creation. =)


These both the things are matters of research Yet. :P

So no definite answer one can give. :lol:
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Re: Just a simple question about Evolution

Postby alextemplet » Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:33 am

TheRisenUndead wrote:Well, to be honest, I'm a Christian actually and I'm just curious between this whole debate between Creation VS Evolution thing......Don't mistake my porpuse of posting this question, I'm not trying to convert you all to Christians or anything....... I'm just asking, like I said, I'm curious! I feel it isnt fair to just be judgemental and just say Evolution is wrong and the Bible is right without research.


Don't worry, people around here are almost always very respectful if you treat them respectfully. Trying to convert people is frowned upon here, but intelligent discussions are always welcomed. And you're right, the truly wise will always research a subject before judging it. :wink:

TheRisenUndead wrote:So then, to actually conclude all your answers, Evolution is a basicaly a circle of life, so what happens after life? After we die? If it all ends there like that, wont it be a waste?


After I die, I hope I'll go to Heaven. If there is no Heaven, I don't think my life will have been in vain. My purpose in life, as I see it, is to do something to make the world better. So as long as the world is a better place when I die than it was when I was born, my life has not been in vain, but fulfilled its purpose. Anything else is just bonus.

TheRisenUndead wrote:alextemplet : Evolution being a tool for God to create living beings? First time encountering a person believing both Evolution and Creation. =)


There's a long tradition of Christian evolutionists dating back to St. Augustine in the fourth century. It needs to be more widely acknowledged that the two are not mutually exlusive.
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Postby AstusAleator » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:13 am

mith wrote:Ever wonder what my signature is referring to?


Is this directed at me? If so, I can't see a sig for your posts... :/


Regarding Christian Evolutionists: My university recently held a short discussion about creation/evolution between faculty members of our college and a christian university. We students attended, hoping to witness our profs get in a brawl. What ensued was actually a very polite and surprisingly non-argumentative discussion. They discussed the importance of recognizing the merits of both religion and science, as they pertain to bringing us truth. The consensus seemed to be that religion and science are two different languages that shouldn't overlap, but can complement eachother and in fact shed light on two sides of the same reality.
After experiencing the heated debates of these forums, it was rather refreshing to witness these scholarly men acknowledge that science and religion (or more specifically creation and evolution) are not mutually exclusive.
TheRisenUndead: You might be surprised to learn that a large portion of theologens and religious scholars accept the scientific merit of the theory of evolution. If you happen to be a college student, do a little investigating for yourself. Ask your profs what they think about the matter.
I'm not saying that the fact that religious scholars accept evolution is proof that it's true, or that you should accept it, I'm merely pointing to a trend you may have missed in your own faith, judging by your reaction to alex's post.
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Postby biotchr » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:18 pm

TheRisenUndead wrote:Just a simple question about Evolution, for an Evolutionist's point of view, what is exactly the purpose of life? Is it as simple as living out normal lives, doing the same thing day after day and then die, or is there more to that? Sorry but I'm just curious! :roll:


Technically science does not offer up a purpose for our life. Issues arise because HOW we got here defines our purpose to the chagrin of evolutionists. Most religions ever offered up that described how we got here was connected to someone/something as a responsible agent and offered purpose.

Evolutionists insist on making that someone/something conveniently dissapear and justify this disappearing act using the limitations of science. Although somewhat reflective of other scientific investigations, origins of life and the species is different in that it investigates, forensically, HISTORICAL events never to repeated or observed again. Such a forensic investigation, which is more of a soft science, when taking into consideration who/what we believe put us here fails to be science at all and more religious in scope.

Due to our religious preferences in who/what we believe put us here, any origins hypothesis is overshadowed with bias and on that basis fails the scientific method as non-testable and non-falsifiable. This religious implication coupled with the historical context of origins as reaching beyond recorded, human history, makes evolutionary beliefs religious in content. Any supposed event that occurred before recorded, human history is unable to be observed or tested and is simply the subject of storytelling based on one's belief in a creator.

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Evolutionist's View;

Life may be, A prolonged chemical cycle that is necessary to make or carry out processes in nature.

For me Nature is a Computer programme which is supported by Life processes.


For you "Nature" serves as your god and "it" fails every hypothesis you could possibly formulate regarding ANY origins event that supposedly occurred before recorded, human history.

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Purpose is a loaded word


No its not, not when your truthful about the matters at hand and not EVASIVE.

This is the crux of the issue. HOW we got here defines our PURPOSE. I cant believe how evolutionists drop logic in order to believe in their religion based on a STUPIDnatural god that has no purpose, no motivation, and no consciousness.

What kind of god do you serve anyway?

Alex:
As for why evolution itself exists, I see it as a tool used by God in the process of creating life. As for why life exists, I think it is because God desired to create beings with whom He could share a loving relationship.


Thank you for you frankness. Science 101 says that science doesnt study God nor His ways in "creating life". So your proposition that God "evolved" us and everything around us pointedly fails your model as being science.

Evolution is religious and thank you for being so truthful.

Now why are we teaching YOUR religion to our kids again?

Alex:
There's a long tradition of Christian evolutionists dating back to St. Augustine in the fourth century. It needs to be more widely acknowledged that the two are not mutually exlusive.


Just because religious people happen to fall for evolution doesnt make the theory valid. Science doesnt count votes. The validity of scientific theory has nothing to do with who or how many agree with the conclusions offered up by the particular scientific theory, it has to do with the correctness of the content of the theory (or whether it can even be studied using science).
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Postby alextemplet » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:41 pm

AstusAleator wrote:Regarding Christian Evolutionists: My university recently held a short discussion about creation/evolution between faculty members of our college and a christian university. We students attended, hoping to witness our profs get in a brawl. What ensued was actually a very polite and surprisingly non-argumentative discussion. They discussed the importance of recognizing the merits of both religion and science, as they pertain to bringing us truth. The consensus seemed to be that religion and science are two different languages that shouldn't overlap, but can complement eachother and in fact shed light on two sides of the same reality.
After experiencing the heated debates of these forums, it was rather refreshing to witness these scholarly men acknowledge that science and religion (or more specifically creation and evolution) are not mutually exclusive.


That does sound most interesting; I would have loved to have been there.
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