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Postby Dustfinger » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:34 pm

Do you believe in God, Tina ?
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Postby AstusAleator » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:21 pm

:o :shock: :o GAH!! Devil! :o :shock: :o

It'll change when he posts again, but that was dustfingers 666th post!
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OK, I guess it was his 656th, and I'm just blind. but still..!
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Postby narrowstaircase » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:25 am

some thoughts on this subject and what ive seen other people write.

i think humanists have more in common with creationists than atheists. where a creationist believes in metaphysical beings and takes the bible for instance as fact and gets purpose and meaning from that, the humanist interprets religion yet also admits the role of science without denying purpose and meaning in life. an atheist on the other hand has totally conceded these spiritual aspects of human life for an entirely languid relationship with life. he practices a monotonous&dead science as apposed to an inspirational&purposeful science. as if the only things they feel are what their hands touch and the only things they see are what their eyes percieve.

i think a great post was the one talking about the university lecturers that explained how religion and science are two perspectives of the same reality. this is my opinion too. they said that the two cannot be overlapped and i agree with this too. they each tend to opposite parts of the human being, one spiritual and the other intellectual. which is why i see 'evolutionary creationists' as somewhat conceted, or liars at a fundamental level. because in being this person whose spiritual and intellectual sides are superficially together in a state of overlap instead of in a merger or complete union is a lie.

in my opinion one endevour in human life which is easy to see is to join these two conflicting sides in humans, join our divided selves. which in the christian religion Jesus was the living symbol. he was whole or holy. and we can only get there by learning, aquiring knowledge. i do admit though that it is difficult because science only investigates what it feels comfortable investigating. simple questions like, what are the biological footsteps that led to a conscience in humans? even, biologically what is our conscience? they are totally unconfrontable in todays science yet entirely relevant. one little thing can be your lifes work and give you meaning. it reminds me of a story from a people in southern africa. has anyone read the hunter allegory?
"Oh wearisome Condition of Humanity! Borne under one law, to another bound: Vainley begot, and yet forbidden vanity, Created sicke, commanded to be sound: What meaneth nature by these diverse lawes? Passion and Reason, selfe-division cause."
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Re: Just a simple question about Evolution

Postby charles brough » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:06 pm

TheRisenUndead wrote:Just a simple question about Evolution, for an Evolutionist's point of view, what is exactly the purpose of life? Is it as simple as living out normal lives, doing the same thing day after day and then die, or is there more to that? Sorry but I'm just curious! :roll:


Are you asking if "God" has a purpose for us or are you asking if we have our own goals, meaning and, hence, "purpose" in life? The word, "purpose" infers that of someone or somthing. Without life, the world WOULD be without purpose!

If you have no goals in life, you are most unfortunate! We all need something to aim for and work for. We achieve satifaction as we achieve it.

But there is more to it than that. The need for "purpose" (goals) is so important to people's welfare that it is one of the main things that bring them together. All religions have had some COMMON goal to which all believers and, hence, the whole society, strive to achieve. The Christian goal, for example, is the so-called "Second Coming of Christ."

So, goals do not have to ever be achieved or even be achieveable. But as long as people believe in them, they live in relative harmony together because they are all working for the same goal. It enables a society not just to exist but to evolve efficiently. People cooperate for the common good, the common goal.

Myself, I am not a part of the Christian goal---quite the contrary! I do not want a nuclear "Armageddon" which the faithful believe will be followed by the "Return of the Savior" (and some sort of Heaven on Earth for ever and ever!) Perhaps I do not want this because, instead, all I can visulaize is the end of civilization and perhaps the human race itself!

So, to achieve real salvation in this, the real world, we people need to PREVENT the stark-strict Christian believers in high office here in the US from ultimately bringing us to their long-desired "End times."

We can do something about it. Take a look at: http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
(The site is now taking 455 hits PER DAY!)

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Postby alextemplet » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:19 pm

charles brough wrote:So, to achieve real salvation in this, the real world, we people need to PREVENT the stark-strict Christian believers in high office here in the US from ultimately bringing us to their long-desired "End times."


Did I miss something? Is there really a group out to destroy the world like that? :shock:
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Postby AstusAleator » Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:23 am

I think he's referring to it as a possibility due to self-fulfilling prophesy.

does kinda sound like conspiracy theory though.
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Postby AstusAleator » Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:28 am

PS: Charles I think I found a typo on your website. it's in the "next step" page.

"With our secular system now showing itself unable to "empose democracy on other countries" without disasterous narco-nation Afganistan ..."


empose should be impose.

EDIT: I'll play nice
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life.....hmmmm...

Postby bio_nerd101 » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:21 pm

I think that the true meaning of life has to do with how you live it.....if you live a bad life, try to make the most out of it, if you live a good life, share it!
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Postby 45561 » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:42 pm

If one supports a view life where there is no aspect of design, then there need not be any purpose at all.
I liken it to knocking over a tin of paint and the paint forming a pretty pattern - the outcome is pretty but the odds of it happening were slim and there wasn't any purpose or planning.
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