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Spontanious Combustion (Can I do it?)

Postby Tormented_Soul » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:16 am

So here's my idea. I was talking to my Biology teacher about it and he said that it would definitely mess with the body in weird ways. So I am relying on you guys/girls to let me know exactly what would happen.

So say someone has High Blood Sugar (Well call it HBS)
So this person has HBS and we decide to give them a bunch of sugar, then give them insulin.

This would make the body create mass amounts of ATP correct?
Since this person has trouble with their body regulating ATP production the body would have loads and loads of ATP, possibly enough to create so much energy that it would burn them inside out?

Im in 11th grade sorry if this is a ridiculous thing but I have been thinking about it for a while.

Thanks for the feedback, if any.
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Postby MrMistery » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:07 pm

yes it is ridiculos. more atp does not mean more heat. and when you give someone insulin most of the glucose turns to glycogen. sorry, not gonna happen..
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Postby mkwaje » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:03 am

I agree. I personally don't believe in human combustion regardless of facts/news on the subject. For rapid combustion to happen, a chemical reaction releasing high energy should reach the temperature flash point of the material and sustain it (fire point). So what is the most combustible material in our body? Fat probably? We have lots of water in our system and that will prevent combustion... Consider animals, have we ever heard of spontaneous animal combustion? Pigs contain mor fat than us and are more numerous; but I never heard of a pig roasting by itself. Or those animals expending lots of ATPs like birds! Even while just sitting, the bird's heart rate is faster; they breathe faster, body temperature is higher than that of humans, but again there are no reports of birds becoming roasted geese nor chicken in the wild of in the farms.

I do believe spontaneous human combustion is a myth, but I'm not saying that human cannot be made to catch fire... given a resourceful/twisted mind :P
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Postby mith » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:58 pm

you'll need some really cool catalyst :D
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Postby Linn » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:23 am

Why would you want to do that? :?
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Re: Spontanious Combustion (Can I do it?)

Postby Poison » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:05 pm

Tormented_Soul wrote:So say someone has High Blood Sugar (Well call it HBS)
So this person has HBS and we decide to give them a bunch of sugar, then give them insulin.

This would make the body create mass amounts of ATP correct?
Since this person has trouble with their body regulating ATP production the body would have loads and loads of ATP, possibly enough to create so much energy that it would burn them inside out?


Won't glucose change into glycogen? Think about it. :) This is impossible. even if you are a normal person when you get glucose, your body will secrete insulin. Have you heard any normal person died from eating lots of candies and burning?
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Re: Spontanious Combustion (Can I do it?)

Postby mahargynot » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:00 pm

Tormented_Soul wrote:So say someone has High Blood Sugar (Well call it HBS)
So this person has HBS and we decide to give them a bunch of sugar, then give them insulin.

This would make the body create mass amounts of ATP correct?
Since this person has trouble with their body regulating ATP production the body would have loads and loads of ATP, possibly enough to create so much energy that it would burn them inside out?



Insulin stimulates the uptake of glucose from the blood by the liver and muscles, but also stimulates its conversion into glycogen. Also, ATP is used as a "store" of energy which is released when the ATP breaks down to ADP and phosphate (I know I'm over-simplifying). Simply making a lot of ATP wouldn't cause a huge release of energy: the energy is only released when some process in the cell requires it. ATP itself is not a form of energy.
There was a TV documentary a few years ago that showed a very plausible, non-spooky mechanism by which "spontaneous" combustion could occur. In fact, the combustion was anything but spontaneous and involved something like a lit cigarette, candle or similar igniting the clothing on a person with a fairly high amount of subcutaneous fat. The clothing acted as a wick for the burning fat. I can't remember all of the details as it was a few years ago, but they demonstrated the effect with a pig carcass and produced some very convincing results.
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Postby Linn » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:39 am

But if I remember correctly they found some flaws in that theory didnt they?
I think the way it burned was different. :?:
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Postby mahargynot » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:04 am

Linn wrote:But if I remember correctly they found some flaws in that theory didnt they?
I think the way it burned was different. :?:


May well be, I only saw the original programme.
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Postby Tormented_Soul » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:22 am

Lol thanks guys. I was making a project where we have to CREATE OUR OWN CELL and explain what it does. Doesnt exactly have to be realistic but at the same time it does.
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