Login

Join for Free!
112478 members


Replication of Photosynthesis

Plants!

Moderator: BioTeam

Is this possible?

Yes
2
50%
No, wouldnt work
0
No votes
Yes, but would not be cost effective (not worth it)
2
50%
 
Total votes : 4

Replication of Photosynthesis

Postby fcpeace17 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:26 pm

I am an electrical engineer currently studying alternative energy, and I realize this would be a very difficult task but I would like some feedback on whether this study has been attempted or if people are afraid to attack it. When trying to think of how to purify the air i first turned to ionization, then i found out it produced ozone and at low altitudes ozone is bad... if only there was a way to rocket the ozone produced from ionization up into the stratosphere... SO THEN i turned to photosynthesis, what would be the fundamental requirements to replicate photosynthesis, to reverse the large CO2 gas emissions? Evan Wayton
fcpeace17
Garter
Garter
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:17 pm

Postby mith » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:47 pm

Are you thinking of doing it mechanically or still somewhat biologically?
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
~Niebuhr
User avatar
mith
Inland Taipan
Inland Taipan
 
Posts: 5345
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:14 pm
Location: Nashville, TN

Postby polycon » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:37 pm

an algae hybrid biomass that grows nanofiber superconducter roots which transfer the potential electricity gernerated into a contemporary household circuitry?
polycon
Garter
Garter
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:17 am


Postby MrMistery » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:20 pm

it has always been a stupid dream of mine to make a box that you put water in and put it in the sun which will produce oxygen and glucose.
it is possible in theory. but it is hard and can't be done at the moment. we do not yet know all the details of photosynthesis. to begin to grasp at how complicated such a project would be, it is estimated that what we currently know about photosynthesis(and we are getting damn close to figuring it out entirely), put on paper, would fill a library(yeah, not a book, a library!)
"As a biologist, I firmly believe that when you're dead, you're dead. Except for what you live behind in history. That's the only afterlife" - J. Craig Venter
User avatar
MrMistery
Inland Taipan
Inland Taipan
 
Posts: 6832
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:18 pm
Location: Romania(small and unimportant country)

Postby polycon » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:59 am

infuse chlorophyll in to human's skin cells so that we only need sunlight and water to complete the process.. oh yeah and eliminate our lung gene, and add the ability to breathe through our skin CO2.

atrophy our pinky toe and our tongues also.
polycon
Garter
Garter
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:17 am

Postby MrMistery » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:09 am

that is a disturbing immage,polycon
"As a biologist, I firmly believe that when you're dead, you're dead. Except for what you live behind in history. That's the only afterlife" - J. Craig Venter
User avatar
MrMistery
Inland Taipan
Inland Taipan
 
Posts: 6832
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:18 pm
Location: Romania(small and unimportant country)

Postby fcpeace17 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:14 pm

polycon wrote:infuse chlorophyll in to human's skin cells so that we only need sunlight and water to complete the process.. oh yeah and eliminate our lung gene, and add the ability to breathe through our skin CO2.

atrophy our pinky toe and our tongues also.

HAHAH alright who is going to be the first volunteer?
"
"Are you thinking of doing it mechanically or still somewhat biologically?"
Well for the time being it seems like it would have to come biologically or possibly chemically? because i am not aware of a way of breaking down molecular structures electrically, that is why i came here. It is not a subject that i am very well based on and i would like to know how one would go about doing it or whether it would be reasonable.

"an algae hybrid biomass that grows nanofiber superconducter roots which transfer the potential electricity gernerated into a contemporary household circuitry?"
Im going more for the something that changes co2 into oxygen. :)
fcpeace17
Garter
Garter
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:17 pm

Postby polycon » Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:10 pm

fcpeace17 wrote:Im going more for the something that changes co2 into oxygen. :)


one word - greenhouse.


volunteer? I'll volunteer.

not like theres gonna be much human left in me by the time this fiber disease is done with me.
polycon
Garter
Garter
 
Posts: 8
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:17 am

Postby Dr.Stein » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:21 am

No need to infuse the chlorophyll, just change Fe of our hemoglobin for Mg, and we will turn into photosynthetic organism 8) I know this is theory, but that's how to describe green Martians: one-third human one-third plant, one-third soemthng else :)
Image
User avatar
Dr.Stein
King Cobra
King Cobra
 
Posts: 3501
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:58 am
Location: 55284 Yogyakarta, Indonesia

Postby mith » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:45 am

You can't just infuse chlorophyll, photosynthesis requires all sorts of support structures to increase air circulation and provide water.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
~Niebuhr
User avatar
mith
Inland Taipan
Inland Taipan
 
Posts: 5345
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:14 pm
Location: Nashville, TN

Postby MrMistery » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:58 pm

doc, if you substitute the Fe in heme for Mg it will not turn to chlorophil. even if both of them are based on the same protoporphirin ring, they are not exactly the same molecule with a different atom in the center: they differ slightly. also chl has a hydrocarbon tail that is absent in heme.
and of course photosynthesis requires much more than chl, it requires thousants of different molecules arranged in an orderly way. they are so important, that the proteins that accompany chl in the reaction are the second most abundant proteins in the living world after the rubisco enzyme.
"As a biologist, I firmly believe that when you're dead, you're dead. Except for what you live behind in history. That's the only afterlife" - J. Craig Venter
User avatar
MrMistery
Inland Taipan
Inland Taipan
 
Posts: 6832
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:18 pm
Location: Romania(small and unimportant country)

Postby bellyjelly » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:17 am

Hi Everybody.

This information was just posted the other day by eclipz. It was added to by a few others, but there is not much to say about it and it is now disappearing from the first page, and I think it should be near the top so many of our brilliant minds can keep "munching" on it. [So, I am posting it here.]

The idea is that photosynthesis in plants does 2 things.

This is new information.
Until only a few years ago, photosynthesis took sunlight and CO2 and a few other random things like some minerals and water to make the body of the plant and O2.
The body of the plant could turn into your body's energy or be burned now or later as fuel.

But, with the new information that Manganese as part of the (renewable) enzyme system of the plant, water is shown to be an important part of the energy production in the plant itself. So, water coming from the roots gets hydrolyzed ( think Hydroxy, or HHO )and turns into H2 as electrons and O2 as gas. The O2 is breathed out, of course, but the extra H is used for extra plant energy.

This explains why a RAIN forest is the lungs of the planet more than a regular forest with average amounts of rain.
It is the water. Water has 13 million joules per liter!
(In case you didn't realize this, the pacific northwest is a "temperate rainforest" and the cry to save the rainforest can happen right in America and not in the tropics.
I am sure there are other temperate rain forests in other parts of the globe too, not just the tropics)

The remarkable part about the way nature makes energy is that it is all done with tiny amounts of volts and mAmps.

So, repeated here are the links to some good information and videos about Dan Nocera and his group at MIT who have devised a way to use tiny amounts of electricity plus water and some photosynthetic-like reactions to make lots of joules from water.
I hope that when MIT gets the patent it will be licensed with the GNU license as they are doing with some lectures.

YouTube - Dan Nocera: Personalized Energy


This is to a different audience and at 50 minutes and beyond there is more detailed information about the Mn and the energy.


As you come across other links which might help us replicate or expand on this please post them here.

Thank you
bellyjelly
Garter
Garter
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:52 pm


Return to Botany Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron