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Postby DengakuMan52 » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:26 pm

Here's a fact you should take into consideration,
THERE"S NO SUCH THING AS EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby canalon » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:31 pm

Would you care to develop that?

Otherwise I could say the "there is no such thing as intelligence in dengakuman52". Of course this would be a lie, because the simple fact that you have posted that suggest more than minimal intelligence. Nevertheless, the post itself is completely devoid of anything that remotely resemble a proof. But I am sure you will correct this very soon, won't you?
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Postby Condraz23 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:14 pm

Evolution is the best theory we've currently got.

There are literally hundreds of other theories, some verging onto psuedoscience. Some people believe that aliens created life on Earth, others believe that life came from a meteorite from space. Hinduism states that life was born out of a "cosmic egg".

These theories are all technically possible and it's likely that your proposed theory has been suggested before. Evolution was suggested by Charles Darwin in the 1800's and was the start of what we now call the "biological revolution". Since then, scientists have looked at many other theories for over a century but we haven't found anything better.

Our species has looked towards the stars since the dawn of mankind and have wondered where we came from. Now, modern science has discredited many past ideas and created many new ones, leaving the origins of mankind the most controversial and mysterious issues ever.

Anyway, if you would like to post a new theory then please feel free to do so.
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Postby alextemplet » Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:17 pm

Condraz23 wrote:Evolution is the best theory we've currently got.
These theories are all technically possible and it's likely that your proposed theory has been suggested before. Evolution was suggested by Charles Darwin in the mid-1800's and was the start of what we now call the "biological revolution". Since then, scientists have looked at many other theories for over a century but we haven't found anything better.


Evolution existed as a theory long before Darwin. Darwin only proposed the mechanicsm behind it, natural selection. The ancients had a form of evolutionary theory, and one of the most famous early evolutionists was the Catholic theologian St. Augustine. Darwin's contribution was explaining how evolution works, making the theory that much more credible.
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Postby loveangel » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:53 pm

but if darwin proposed this kind of a theory why did he said that "tell them about jesus christ" ??? what does this mean???? did he really believe on the existence of God???? but it was already too late for that, scientist are studying about this theory.. too bad...
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Postby alextemplet » Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:39 pm

loveangel wrote:but if darwin proposed this kind of a theory why did he said that "tell them about jesus christ" ??? what does this mean???? did he really believe on the existence of God???? but it was already too late for that, scientist are studying about this theory.. too bad...


Darwin, at the time he wrote his famous books, was a devout Anglican; his later conversion to atheism had more to do with the death of his daughter than with evolution. In Origin of Species, he so often makes reference to the "Creator," as he terms it, that I wonder if I'm actually reading a new translation of the Bible.
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Postby Skeletor Rinpoche » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:15 am

Lots of primitive evolutionistsand physicists use the term "creator", "God" or "intelligent designer" to describe certain forces that are extremely hard to break down. The bad part of it is that Christian theologians use this to promote their beliefs, in the wrong context.
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Postby alextemplet » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:56 pm

Skeletor Rinpoche wrote:Lots of primitive evolutionistsand physicists use the term "creator", "God" or "intelligent designer" to describe certain forces that are extremely hard to break down. The bad part of it is that Christian theologians use this to promote their beliefs, in the wrong context.


What context are you referring to? I'm not disputing any facts regarding evolution, merely stating that at that time Darwin was a devout Christian.
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Re: FACT

Postby Frogman » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:49 pm

DengakuMan52 wrote:Here's a fact you should take into consideration,
THERE"S NO SUCH THING AS EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT! Unless you've never been to school, surely you cant actually believe that?

I blame the parents.....

I'd say that most, if not ALL scientists recognise this theory, even if they are Christian or not.
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Re: FACT

Postby Linn » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:30 am

Frogman wrote:
DengakuMan52 wrote:Here's a fact you should take into consideration,
THERE"S NO SUCH THING AS EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT! Unless you've never been to school, surely you cant actually believe that?

I blame the parents.....

I'd say that most, if not ALL scientists recognise this theory, even if they are Christian or not.


Maybe you have not looked :)

Here is one to start:

'my empirical research in genetics and my studies of biological subjects such as physiology and morphology bring me face to face with the enormous and often unfathomable complexities of life. My study of these topics has reinforced my conviction that life, even the most basic forms of life, must have an intelligent origin"

Google:
~Wolf- Ekkehard Lonning

and

http://www.weloennig.de/DynamicGenomes.pdf

(28 years, Research in plant breeding and genetic mutation -Germany)

nd how about this fellow:

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB ... ellow=true

I have lots more :)

http://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/bio/index-frame.html

BTW not a religious web site, it is from a public brodcast on the subject of Faith and Reason.

And Although I am not a scientist I have had biology classes and have not become convinced. actualy, the more I learn, the more I am convinced to the contrary.
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Postby Mr Joe » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:35 am

im not looking for any kind of an arguement, this is just my 2 cents
personally i beleive in creation, but i also beleive that organisms change genetically in order to adapt to there surroundings.
i dont understand how you can get the "big bang" when there wasnt really anything there to begin with, and this is why i beleive that there was some type of intervention in the "beginning". then as time passes and eviroments change so do the inhabitants of that enviroment. otherwise nothing would really be here at this time, life on earth as we know it wouldve become completely extincted, because the inhabitants couldnt cope with the changes.
in a sense yes i beleive things "evolve" SLIGHTLY or change SLIGHTLY in order to see that the population of that group lives on, but i also dont see, or maybe its better said, dont understand how there could be a massive explosion when there wasnt anything there, it all had to come from somewhere, you cant make something from nothing. ive read study's that suggest that in the beginning of time there was nothing more than gasses and dust and certain gasses collided and created the "BIG BANG" and thats how life as we know it started, where did these gasses and dust come from ?
again just my 2 cents, and im no doctor of anything so this is the basic product of my basic knowledge
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Postby alextemplet » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:13 am

Here's a question that confuses me to considerable extent. Why is the big bang theory often seen as hostile to religious belief and a product of atheism? I ask this because the theory was first proposed by the Catholic Church with the intent of proving the existence of a creator, so it seems logical - to me at least - that the big bang theory should be seen as at least favorable to religious belief. Anyone care to shed some light on this mystery?
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