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Re: drink water, orange juice or Cola before eating?

Postby daniel.kurz » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:26 am

It is a complete untruth that you should not drink water with a myth. It is an urban myth that was started that has no factual basis. If you drink water, the stomach has the ability to detect pH. The actual process is much more complex mechanically, but that doesn't need to brought into the discussion. Pepsin is the active form of a protein called a zymogen which is enzyme that has to be cleaved to be activated. Pepsin as well as other enzymes (enzymes are all proteins but not all proteins are enzymes) such as trypsin start off with -ogen at the end of their name. Pepsinogen and trypsinogen. They are cleaved by the hydrochloric acid secreted by parietal cells in the stomach to pepsin and trypsin (both secreted by chief cells).

Regardless of acidity in the stomach, the acid is neutralized in beginning by bicarbonate because the acid will damage the enyzmes and the lining of the intestine. Now, only in specific cases such as chronic heart burn or ucler conditions will acidity be a problem. There can also be problems with not secreting enough acid in some individuals. Only found in the elderly but relatively not frequent. For the most part, people do not have a problem secreting enough acid into their stomach. Drinking soda and juices can just add to unwanted many calories in the diet for some people.

If you withhold water during a meal, the stomach has to make more mucus and water into the stomach which can be a major problem for those that suffer hypertension and other blood volume conditions. The stomach cannot mix properly if it does not have the fluidity to mix problem. You can try this by eating a very heavy fatty cake where the water will not mix with the fat (trust me it doesn't feel good). The enzymes in the intestine have to find their destination in the food in order to breakdown the food that you have consumed. If you have a nice "dry" stomach, where everything is really super viscous your enzymes will not find what they are looking for as easily and will result in improper digestion. This can result in digestive problems further down the line. Now, there is some validity to not drinking as much water because it might slow down stomach emptying and as a result keep you full longer. This is advantageous in those that want to lose weight by doing less snacking.

The moral of this story... drink water with your meal or any other beverage in moderation (not too much and not too little) because your body is extremely adaptive. Unless you have instructions from your physician or evidence to say that you have an acid secretion problem, don't worry too much and enjoy your meal. Like others have said, try eating without a drink and its quite hard.
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Postby JackBean » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:29 am

not all enzymes are proteins, e.g. the ribozyme is RNA
trypsin is not cleaved by HCl since it is not in stomach
why should be the acid neutralized? Where does the bicarbonate come from?
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Re: drink water, orange juice or Cola before eating?

Postby MamaWrites » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:40 pm

While I see this thread is very old, I came across it while researching something about diet and pH. I agree that drinking while eating can adversely affect the digestive process. Additionally, drinking carbonated beverages brings other factors into digestion. When the carbon dioxide enters the stomach, the pyloric sphincter (which is closed while the first stages of digestion occur in the stomach) opens in response to the increased pressure from the CO2. This causes the contents of the stomach to empty into the colon in the less-digested form and also the CO2.

As most people know, CO2 is a waste product which the lungs expel in exchange for the much-needed oxygen supply into our body and ultimately, our cells. This helps keep our blood gases balanced, and the premature emptying of CO2 in this manner causes it to directly enter the blood stream, adding a burden to the body's natural detoxification process. In short, we are drinking a substance infused with something our body eliminates as waste.

Another thought to consider is that soda is pretty much CO2, water and syrup. The chemical mix of CO2 and water is carbonic acid. The acidifying result of such a mixture places more stress on the body to maintain the narrow pH range of 7.35 to 7.45 required to sustain human life
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Postby JackBean » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:08 am

can you show your resources?

1) urine composes of more than 95% water. Does that mean we should avoid drinking water, because it's a waste?
2) and how do you think that is the CO2 transported from the cells to lungs? Could it be directly through blood?
3) pH of stomach fluids is something around 2, even Coke is basic in comparison with that.
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Postby josem » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Drinking too much cola is not good for health. Because it contains phosphoric acid which reduces the bone density and also the reason for chronic kidney diseases. Drinking citrus juices is good for health, because it contains lot of vit C. I think if pH increased due drinking of water, there might be some sensing mechanism which ultimately lead to more acid production by parietal cells. Another possibility is that excess water is rapidly absorbed to the blood or passed to the small intestine.
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