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Postby JackBean » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:44 pm

sharan wrote: One is from the mother and the other from the grandmother on the father's side. Two unrelated sources!

Well, I didn't notice that before. The X from father's grandma had to be transferred through father anyway. And all the chromosomes are transferred from grandparents through parents to offspring... :roll:
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Postby sharan » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:46 am

OK. I will just quote the findings of the Human Genome Project http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/H ... hromosome/ which states that there are 24 chromosomes and leave the question of whether the 2 sex chromosomes form a pair to the experts to sort out. From the point of view of bioelectronics 24 chromosomes to transmit signals from each cell is essential and ties in with the 24 hours/moods in a day.
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Postby jwalin » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:52 am

i visited the site and it showed 22 autosomal chromosomes. and 1 X chromosome and 1 Y chromosome.
now listen in our body we have 46 (2n) chromosmes that is we have 23 pairs of chromosomes.

we have 2 copies of chromosome 1, 2 of chromosome 2 ....
but we have only 1 copy of X and only 1 of Y
44+1+1=46 =23 pairs
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Postby JackBean » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:56 am

Not sure, what are you reffering to, but of course, they list autosomous chromosomes only once, becuase they are homologous, but the X and Y chromosomes are not. That's why are they sex chromosomes! :roll:

BTW where did you get the 24 electronic circuits?
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Postby kolean » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:13 pm

Well I will just jump on this one and state that although there are two X chromosomes (females only), only one X is active. The other becomes heterochromatized and inactive thereafter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-inactivation
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Postby sharan » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:52 am

Jwalin's comment reflects the confusion I am trying to address. Forget about the specifics of the sex chromosomes or the intercourse effects. I am concerned with the the total number in the cells of our body as we go through life. Jwalin goes 22 pairs + 1X+1Y= 23 This is obviously incorrect. Kolean says 1X goes inactive so at some stage there must be 2. Add these to 22 pairs you get 24. The statement in Wikipeda that 2n=46 is the problem here. It should be 44n+2. Human geneticist in general seem to me to have accepted 23 because of this 2n=46 and this was based on a female. I bet the person who first determined the number considered the 2 Xs to be a pair like the rest of the autosomes. Anyone able to do some actual research on this could win a Nobel Prize because the error here is holding back a lot of other medical sciences. Especially the one I am working in.
Jack the 24 bio-electrical circuits are explained in http://www.earthsong.us. It is based on the human iris and the fact that there are 24 vertebrae in our spine. 3 octaves!. Also the pulse of the heart has 24 frequencies in 24 "organs" . For example the brain pulses at the rate of 2x the heart. The Hara at half the rate of the heart.
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Postby jwalin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:26 pm

excuse me
its genetics
and i rarely go wrong. (see i am not trying to boast but you aren't understanding and are getting onto my nevrves)

in any human there are 22 pairs of autosomal and 1 pair of sex chromosome
in this 1 pair you can have 2 x chromosomes or 1 X and a Y chromosome
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2n=46
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Postby jwalin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:27 pm

and when kolean say of the x chromosome becomes inactive he isn't referring to a pair
so 22*2 + 1 X +1X= 46

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Postby JackBean » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:14 pm

jwalin wrote:and i rarely go wrong. (see i am not trying to boast but you aren't understanding and are getting onto my nevrves)

you believe yourself

jwalin wrote:and when kolean say of the x chromosome becomes inactive he isn't referring to a pair
so 22*2 + 1 X +1X= 46

simple

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Postby jwalin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:46 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah :lol: :lol: :lol:
kolean i am sorry for that
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Postby sharan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:59 pm

Jwalin you keep repeating the same mistake I am trying to address. I do not dispute the 46. I am concerned with the 24 chromosomes. Look at the poster produced by the Human Genome project or the FISH Jpeg on this website. You have 24 vertebrae in your spine and still you insist on believing that a there are only 23 chromosomes. A pair equals a chromosome. Each of these 22 pairs have a number from 1 to 22, add 2 sex chromosomes and the result is 24. Kolean clearly states that there are 2 X chromosomes in the female's cells at the beginning, add 22 pairs to this and you start with 24. Drop one of these and you get 23 multiply this by 2 and the result is 46! and only one of these 46 is a sex chromosome. Which means that if 44 form a pair then there is 1 half chromosome floating around looking for a partner. You have to drop the idea that there are 23. Only if the X and Y form a pair can you redeem yourself. So give me a reference to a published paper that is based on research which shows that X and Y form a pair just like the autosomes do. I have been on the lookout for one since 2001. If you want to know why it is important that the correct number of 24 becomes accepted have a look at www.earthsong.us . Our brain communicates with every cell in our body and the only way it can do this electrically is for there to be 24 chromosomes composed of 4 bases. The Life Sciences are being retarded because of this initial illogical error. We live on a planet which works on a 24 hour/mood clock as she spins at 1500km/hour around her axis every day. We see the sun go through 12 zodiac signs in a year, which we feel through 24 organs as we hurl around the sun at more than 100000 km/hr. We have an alphabet with 26 letters which are sounds we make using organs. 2 organs have 2 sounds, the spleen and the cerebellum. This again gives us 24. I am glad I am getting on your nerves because it may help you to start thinking before you repeat other peoples mistakes. We can excuse the early researchers in 2001 who thought that all the 46 chromosomes were paired, they did not know any better. Jwalin remember googling Wikipedia is not research.
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Postby JackBean » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:13 pm

LOL, you're right, googling Wiki is not research, searching on EarthSong.eu is :lol:

where did you get 24 vertebrae? There are apparently more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_column
(you can google any other site, if you want)

Interesting, so English people has 2 sound per organ, we in Czech have 1.75 sounds per organ :lol:
And what about e.g. Japanese people :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just that we did set 24 hours per a day doesn't mean anything. You could have 13 hours or 65, that doesn't change anything.
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