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hear the spring peepers-endangered

Postby Linn » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:02 am

"my" spring peepers are dissapearing! :cry:
What are some reasons for this? Some of their habitat that is now actualy cleaner than it was when I was a kid, yet they are missing. its sad not to hear their calls herald spring anymore.
Is it ozone? is it fungus?
what are your thoughts?

hear the spring peeper:

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/endangered/spring.htm
linn :)
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Postby Ken Ramos » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:10 pm

Linn wrote:
Some of their habitat that is now actualy cleaner than it was when I was a kid


Just a thought but though their habitat may be cleaner, what was done to clean it up? Have any pesticides or other chemicals been used in the area where they once were. With the threat of mosquito born viruses and such, there may have been chemicals used in the clean up process which may have affected the peepers ability to survive in that particular area. However I would not know for sure without investigating the area personally. :)

This would make a good research project for you to work on and learn a lot in the process. :D
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Postby Linn » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:20 pm

[This would make a good research project for you to work on and learn a lot in the process. :D[/quote]
Ken,
yes,
I have wanted to research this for a while now. Its on
the burner!
in the 60's and 70's their call was so loud I could here them a half mile and more away. Thats how many were there.

IN 1980 a friend of mine was suspicious pf the high cancer rtes of adults and children who lived around this woodland.
She tested the water and found level of PCB so high it was xxxx (sorry i do not have the exact figure in front of me) the amount to cause cancer.
When I say cleaner I mean that dumping was stopped. As far as I know no chemicals have been added. But I am sure the pollution and PCB's destroyed the natural bio "flora".
I was just wondering why it took so long (about 40 years) for the frogs to die out here. Is it because each generation was born weaker so that finaly they were just not strong enough?
Can you tell me what do we need to do to clean it up?
and shouldnt there be danger signs posted here?

they were the last of the mohicans. :(
this is supposed to be a "conservation" reserve now
kind of funny nothing left to conserve.
Sincerely,
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Postby Linn » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:49 pm

The link should be clickable now
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Postby Ken Ramos » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:32 pm

I really do not know wha to tell you Linn :( The party(s) responsible for the pollution in the area to begin with, are those also responsible for the cleaning up of the PCB's. Good Luck! :roll:

I would contact my local health department, if I were you, and see if they can do some kind of testing as to the toxic levels of PCB's in the area and post the appropriate warning signs if applicable. Also check around your community for groups or organizations that are concerned with the environment. Sometimes these groups or orgs. can point you or sometimes even aid you in going the right direction to get something done. :D

I would also be interested in knowing how you come out on this. :D
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Postby Linn » Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:10 am

:(
no one has been held accountable as of yet.
one small section though has been fenced off with no tresspassing signs. but that is not the water area.

Reminds me of woburn :(
thanks for your interest.
Have you worked on similar with good outcome. I bet it cost mucho denaro! And we need a law suit too.
you are a "nerd" like me hah? :lol:
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Postby Ken Ramos » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:02 am

Can't say as if I have ever undertaken such a task. It would be challenging and interesting. Do you recall when was the last time you heard the peepers?

I am trying to think of other reasons as to why the population of them may be declining.

Not trying to be nosey here but I noticed in your profile that you are in New England. Where in New England? Can you discribe the area in detail, that you are concerned about? Is there a pond or lake, maybe a stream running through it or both? If there is a stream, try checking up stream for possible areas where pollutants may be being introduced and affecting life down stream. What other wildlife is there in the area and are there any animals other than peepers that seem to be on the decline or moving out?

Look for environmental indicator species such as lichens on trees and rocks. Lichens are good indicators of air quality, the more you have the better the quality of the air. Macro invertabrates such as Mayfly nymphs, Caddisfly nymphs, and Stonefly nymphs that may live in the stream if there is one, are also good bio-indicators since they have a very low tolerance to pollution. However the lack of them may not indicate that the waters are polluted, other factors may prevent them from being present also, such as water ph, water temp., predation by other life forms, etc. These just crossed my mind and not knowing where you are at exactly, I am only going on an assumption. I live in or near the mountains of Western North Carolina. Mountain streams (trout) are fairly cool and provide ideal conditons for the most part for macro invertabrates.

Do some research and find out what bio-indicators may be living in or around your area or may have been living there at one time. Sometimes these plants and animals can tell you what may be causing the problem or lead you to it.

You wrote:
you are a "nerd" like me hah?


OBTW, I enjoy being a nerd, geek, or whatever! :lol:
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Postby Linn » Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:32 am

the responsable party is a drop forge.

the area is bordered by the Chicopee River,
Chicopee Massachusetts to the north

interstate 291 is to the east
EAst spfld is to the south
this is a little more than 1 hr from Boston

google satellite the smith and wesson


have you heard odf the browns field act?
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Postby Ken Ramos » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:31 am

I have been to Boston. Absolutely loved my visit there, of course at the time I was in the US Navy and was serving onboard the USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67) 8) A lot of history in and around that area, a most interesting port call. The elevator ride to the top of the John Hancock building was a hoot! Good view from up there. :D

Now back to business. It seems as though you are in or near a highly industrialised area and most likely densely populated, which makes for a conflict between man and nature, generally speaking of course.

I Googled the Brownsfield Act and came up with some interesting information that may be of use to you. The following links may lead you in the right direction to solve your problem or direct you to the appropriate parties who can. But first I would suggest some research on your area personally so that you can provide some positive information if it is required. I would conduct a survey of sorts to determine if any others in the area have environmental concerns such as yours. There is strength in numbers. I am afraid that just the "peepers" alone will not be sufficent to put the gears of the EPA into action. Check around the local area for environmental groups or organizations that may be able to help. If there are not any, try starting one. :idea:

http://www.epa.gov/swerosps/rcrabf

http://www.epa.gov/superfund/index.htm

In the last link, click on "Training Opportunities," I found that quite interesting too! :o

The process of reclaimation of a natural environment is most likely going to be a great undertaking and it is not my intent to discourage you in that undertaking but little steps towards that goal are going to be required before you can take big ones. It will not happen overnight or in a couple of months, maybe years :( However the smallest steps taken now to preserve or reclaim the enviornoment will add up in later years and will send out a message to others that concerned citizens and naturalists, like yourself, are watching the environment.

Environmentalists are the greatest enemy to industry and you may find yourself butting heads later on, but don't let that discourage you. Please continue to keep me informed of your progress. Though I am miles south of you, I too am interested in your endeavors. :D
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Postby Linn » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:53 pm

yes
highly industralized I will send the satelite image if you can make any sense of it,
guess what is the biggy? our neighbor Monsanto. Ican smell its stench and see the fallout on the ground sometimes.

Boston is a riot.
I hate the layout of it. tto many one ways. its a good city to go round in circles and end up where you started if you are not familiar with it. everytime we went to the aquarium I said never again!

I got stuck on a one way street in china town once in 1980 behind a car load of mobsters and had to sit there while they had a shootout. lol.

wow
you have been very helpful! thank you.
i am interested in reclamation as part of my field of study of landscape arcitecture and plant scienca technologies. there are so many regulationsinvolved to do
work for a client abutting a wet land.

This summer I am going to re test the water and take core samples. i havent seen that friend
who did the initial investigation since 1983. need to find her.

but I dont have any credentials to do this work it would need to be backed up.
Have you heard of garden in the woods in framiham MA/
I would love to do that here in Springfield. This city though is on the verge of bankrupcy and the feds have an un going investigation into corruption. organized crime is alive and well. So I dont think this is a priority.

oh you asked what other animals are present.

deer, possum. racoon. bunnies, squirrls, chipmunks,coyote, lots of red tailed hawks, turkey vultures are proliferating lol, just the usual critters.
Aquatic? nada much except giant water boat men. but I will study that.

oh ya forgot to mention. when I was a kid i used to find dead birds all the time by the water.
kids still play there too. :cry:

about the EPA I would love a job with it. I have the application saved lol

ok enough :lol:
we have to stop meeting like this :lol:
Lynne
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Postby Ken Ramos » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:01 pm

Bostons "Combat Zone!" Been there, done that; as they say! :lol: Dead birds around the water are a give away that something is dreadfully wrong in the area for sure. Well Linn, keep me posted if you would. It is a pleasure to find someone doing something important, interesting, and worthwhile on here. :lol:

OBTW Linn, "keep your head down!" :lol:
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Postby Linn » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:07 pm

my pleasure chatting with you
glad to see your interest too.
Are you working on any projects in your area?
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