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Postby Excalibur » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:07 am

The theory of Evolution states that all living species on the planet Earth come from a common ancestor. However the biggest question which has been looming over evolution is how did the first living thing come to life?

We all know that in the medievel times, humans believed that life could come about by spontaneous generation, whereby things could easily come to life from non living matter. The common example being worms and flies or even rats being born out of dirt. However since then we have come to know that this is impossible.

We know today that even single celled organisms have incredibly complex cells with amazing functions since the development of the electron microscope. So how de we propose this came about by chance?
Even the most sophisticated lab cannot produce living cells, and efforts to do this have actually been abondoned :!: Therefore how come something man cannot do with all of his technological advancements happen by chance?

Sir Fred Hoyle (mathematician) has infact compared the likelyhood of this to a tornado assembling a fully functional 747 jumbo jet from junk :o
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Postby Mjhavok » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:36 am

Man as you say has many advancements in science but we don't know everything. Maybe perhaps one day we will be able to make ourselves evolve.
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Postby mith » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:34 am

Here's two assumptions:

The first cells were very simple;
The formation of cells wasn't totally random and might involve some sort of positive feedback
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Postby canalon » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:38 pm

ilc wrote:If the most sophisticated labs cant figure it out then isn't that a sign? Of course they can't because that would prove that we do have "powers" comparable to God. I don't know what you believe when you say "Therefore how come something man cannot do with all of his technological advancements happen by chance?" but i believe there is a higher being in play.


Because the most advanced labs don't have a billion year of experiment time and a planet scale to experiment yet.... At a certain statiscal level, event th least probable become likely to happen


ilc wrote:So i close this comment by asking, why believe in something, such as evolution, if all the answers aren't there, if there is so much left to prove the theory of evolution, when you can believe in God...all the answer are summed up in 67 chapters in one book called the Bible.


Probably because I do not believe in evolution, I am convinced by it, but will be ready to reconsider if you give me facts, not myth. Besides evolution theory offer some suitable experiments taht can be tested. No religions offers that.
And this should be the end of this topic, considering our No religious posting rule.
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Postby Mjhavok » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:53 pm

Evolution isn't a religion. It is not something for you to believe it. It's considered scientific fact. There are fossils millions of years old on different contents that link and prove it.

1 phrase "aposable thumbs".
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Postby crazypantboy » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:55 pm

How can you believe in something that has never been proven to be true. Evolution has so many more problems with it than just the missing link. Oh, and did you know that Darwin, the creator of the theory of evolution, recanted everything he said before he died. :idea:
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Postby canalon » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:05 pm

crazypantboy wrote:How can you believe in something that has never been proven to be true. Evolution has so many more problems with it than just the missing link. Oh, and did you know that Darwin, the creator of the theory of evolution, recanted everything he said before he died. :idea:


Because God has been proven to be true? Well....
And again:
- Science is not about believing in something, it is about to be convinced that the theory you use is the best model you can find until a better one is found
- No Scientific theory can be proven true, they just can be proven false...

And About the Darwin Factoid, even if it was true, what would it change? He was, with Wallace, the first to launch and give detailed descrption of the "evolution through natural selection", but after that the idea did not belong to him anymore, it evolved (pun intended) on its own to accomodate small and bigger facts, but the frame is still the same that has been suggested by Darwin and Wallace (or as I've heard, Gromit ;) )
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Postby MrMistery » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:58 pm

Here is a question for you? Do you believe in electrons? Nobody has ever seen one. And yet, everyone knows they are there. This is a clasic example of a scientific "unproven" theory.

And, as patrick said, if 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 tornados were simultanously being formed every second i think that one of them might put together that jumbo jet! (or at least da vinci's gliders...)
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Postby Mjhavok » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:03 pm

Haha true.

As for Darwin decanting everything he said before he died. What did he die of some kind of prion type disease and his brain was mush.
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Postby mith » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:16 pm

<Suggests this thread be deleted since topic has already been covered>

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Postby Excalibur » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:21 am

MrMistery wrote:Here is a question for you? Do you believe in electrons? Nobody has ever seen one. And yet, everyone knows they are there. This is a clasic example of a scientific "unproven" theory.

And, as patrick said, if 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 tornados were simultanously being formed every second i think that one of them might put together that jumbo jet! (or at least da vinci's gliders...)


Come on :!:

Planet Earth according to dating is about 4.6 billion years old, and 4.6 billion does not involve 100 zeros :wink:

What has time scale got to do with the first life form coming into existence, when this is most likely to happen by a second!

Any way you look around it 4.6 billion years starts looking awfully restricted when you look at how advanced even the most simple single celled organism looks under an electron microscope!

I think its wrong that their should be rules in this forum preventing people from giving their thoughts. I think everyone should be able to give his ideas concerning science, be it: Evolution, Creationism or whatever.

As long as we do not lose sight of the common subject being discussed!

Mithrilhack why should this thread be deleted, when the so called Evolution theory has more holes in it than a sieve :shock:

I think this post should stay open for as long as possible, because science and scientists should benefit from analyzing the problems of a theory to the point of concluding wether its correct or not, therefore we can move on to giving more explanations hence developing our ideas and eventually coming closer to the truth.

Remember we humans have only been here for a little while, therefore lets not restrict our ideas!!!!
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Postby mith » Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:38 am

lol excalibur, use the search function, we've debated this issue more than enough times by creationists such as yourself, and no we're not restricting ideas, its just that I doubt anything new can be discussed.
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